Why do you think that China isn't very bent on acquiring colonies and building an empire like European countries were in their own heydays?

Futurist

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Why do you think that China (which is a rising power whose moment of power and glory is rapidly approaching) isn't very bent on acquiring colonies and building an empire like European countries were in their own heydays? I mean, back when European countries were industrializing and when European countries were becoming by far the most powerful and important military forces in the world, there was a huge rush on the part of various European countries in order to acquire colonies. This was certainly done without the consent of the populations who were actually living in these colonies; their views were dismissed as irrelevant and they were viewed as being in need of civilizing by the white man (hence the term White Man's Burden). So, yeah, even when European countries were more-or-less (by the standards of the times, that is) democratic at home, they certainly weren't behaving in a very democratic manner abroad--with the urge to dominate and rule over non-Europeans being very pronounced in Europeans during this time. (Interestingly enough, even the alt-right nowadays rejects the idea of Europeans dominating and ruling over non-Europeans. They have no problem with different peoples wanting their own countries where they can decide and determine their own destinies but nevertheless want a white ethno-state for themselves personally.)

Anyway, back to China--China nowadays doesn't place much value on Western concepts such as democracy and human rights but in spite of this doesn't actually appear to be very interested in acquiring colonies and building an empire like the relatively democratic European countries did 100+ years ago. Why exactly is this the case? Is it because China historically was uninterested in colonial adventures? Is it because China still subscribes to Marxism's nominal anti-colonialism? Or is it for some other reason? I mean, theoretically speaking, if China really wanted to, it would probably be able to conquer a lot of the region that was historically known as the Third World. However, in spite of this, China doesn't actually appear to be interested in doing this. Why not?

Any thoughts on this?
 

Kotromanic

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Maybe you can re-phrase some of the questions in the second paragraph please?

So that we know we are participating in a thread which is **not** coming too near current policy discussion?
 
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Futurist

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Maybe you can re-phrase some of the questions in the second paragraph please?

So that we know we are participating in a thread which is **not** coming too near current policy discussion?
What I'm asking here is why China didn't become interested in the idea of acquiring colonies and building an empire once it started industrializing and becoming powerful like European countries did 100+ years ago.
 

Futurist

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Technically speaking, China began industrializing and developing before 1991; after all, its economic reforms began in 1978, if I recall correctly.
 

Kotromanic

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What I'm asking here is why China didn't become interested in the idea of acquiring colonies and building an empire once it started industrializing and becoming powerful like European countries did 100+ years ago.
So, very good.

May I respectfully suggest adding some questions about the conditions in the societies of the Euro powers of the latter 19th century so that the discussion may be **clearly** rooted in a history topic.

(As we now understand that the mods won't give much leeway for topics that attract "jersey wearing" nationalists, you see?)
 
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Futurist

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So, very good.

May I respectfully suggest adding some questions about the conditions in the societies of the Euro powers of the latter 19th century so that the discussion may be **clearly** rooted in a history topic.

(As we now understand that the mods won't give much leeway for topics that attract "jersey wearing" nationalists, you see?)
Yes, you are add some questions about the conditions in European countries and socieities in the 19th and early 20th century. :)

"Exactly" why did those Euro societies broadly support Imperialism?
AFAIK, due to the White Man's Burden, in order to acquire control over trade and travel routes, resources, and markets, for glory and prestige, and perhaps as combat grounds to test their militaries (since conquering Third World countries makes for good military practice in the views of European imperialists). I don't know if there was anything else to this.
 
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sculptingman

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Why do you think that China (which is a rising power whose moment of power and glory is rapidly approaching) isn't very bent on acquiring colonies and building an empire like European countries were in their own heydays? I mean, back when European countries were industrializing and when European countries were becoming by far the most powerful and important military forces in the world, there was a huge rush on the part of various European countries in order to acquire colonies. This was certainly done without the consent of the populations who were actually living in these colonies; their views were dismissed as irrelevant and they were viewed as being in need of civilizing by the white man (hence the term White Man's Burden). So, yeah, even when European countries were more-or-less (by the standards of the times, that is) democratic at home, they certainly weren't behaving in a very democratic manner abroad--with the urge to dominate and rule over non-Europeans being very pronounced in Europeans during this time. (Interestingly enough, even the alt-right nowadays rejects the idea of Europeans dominating and ruling over non-Europeans. They have no problem with different peoples wanting their own countries where they can decide and determine their own destinies but nevertheless want a white ethno-state for themselves personally.)

Anyway, back to China--China nowadays doesn't place much value on Western concepts such as democracy and human rights but in spite of this doesn't actually appear to be very interested in acquiring colonies and building an empire like the relatively democratic European countries did 100+ years ago. Why exactly is this the case? Is it because China historically was uninterested in colonial adventures? Is it because China still subscribes to Marxism's nominal anti-colonialism? Or is it for some other reason? I mean, theoretically speaking, if China really wanted to, it would probably be able to conquer a lot of the region that was historically known as the Third World. However, in spite of this, China doesn't actually appear to be interested in doing this. Why not?

Any thoughts on this?
because they can read?

the colonial era collapsed for very good reasons- in the modern era it simply isn't tenable- rather- economic hegemony is far more important.
You do not need to control other nations physically as long as you are crucial to their economies.
 
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Futurist

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because they can read?

the colonial era collapsed for very good reasons- in the modern era it simply isn't tenable- rather- economic hegemony is far more important.
You do not need to control other nations physically as long as you are crucial to their economies.
Was this not true to the same extent 100+ years ago?
 
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Why do you think their not interested in a colonial empire? Have you watched the news in recent years in regards to china?
They own a lot of resources in Africa, have many workers in Africa (look at Angola, there's hundreds of thousands of Chinese there) and are establishing military bases across the world. This is how Europe started their colonial empires. China is literally building an empire in the south China sea. They are bringing up territorial disputes from over a hundred years ago and flexing their military and economic muscles frequently. The Chinese aren't stupid, they watched Europe's mistakes. They will work more towards a Soviet model client state empire rather than a true colonial system. The only real difference is in name.
 
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