Why is Fascism objectively wrong?

civfanatic

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Oct 2012
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Des Moines, Iowa
For those who believe that fascism is an objectively wrong or immoral ideology, please explain why. I myself do not believe that fascism is objectively wrong, and I think it it has many attributes that are more desirable than a democracy.
 

Fox

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Oct 2011
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Korea
For those who believe that fascism is an objectively wrong or immoral ideology, please explain why. I myself do not believe that fascism is objectively wrong, and I think it it has many attributes that are more desirable than a democracy.
I don't see any reason to declare fascism "objectively wrong," but personally speaking, it's hard to imagine a group of people in whom I could place my trust so completely that I would be comfortable saying, "Yes, these men ought to have more or less total authority over me, and I ought to comply with any demand they may make." After all, that is ultimately one of the commitments of fascism: a one-party state in which the party in question has broad latitude to dictate as it sees fit, even to the individual citizen. Perhaps there is room in the world for such polities, but I do not personally want to live in one. The converse is also logically true: I doubt any fascist party would want to be stuck dealing with a citizen like myself, who simply wouldn't fit into their state well, and would not be willing to bow before their authority.
 

pugsville

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Oct 2010
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fascism always comes down to real by corrupt thugs.

it's not rule of law, but rule of violence. it requires someone to enforce it's rule, which means thugs. and thugs always take a cut. and what are you going to appeal to the law? doesn't have any force in a fascist society and those in charge are using those thugs to stay in charge,
 
Sep 2015
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Greece
For those who believe that fascism is an objectively wrong or immoral ideology, please explain why. I myself do not believe that fascism is objectively wrong, and I think it it has many attributes that are more desirable than a democracy.
It can't be ''objectively'' wrong.But immoral,yes.Does it comply with the modern moral standards?No.And anyway suppression doesn't go that well with human nature.In the long run people will become tired of it.You can't create a ''perfect'' fascist state because its fundamentally problematic and even if you indoctrinate people generation after generation there will always be problems.

By desirable attributes you probably mean that fascism can bypass the random nature of democracy and freedom and get results that wouldn't be possible in democracy.Personally I think that this random nature is not necessarily bad.People can create beautiful things if they are given the needed space and freedom.
 

tomar

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Jan 2011
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The main reason , I think, is the general absence of personal freedom

Living with the feeling that you can be arrested or shot at will (whether justified or not), makes for a miserable life
 
May 2014
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Budapest
Elected leadership does not necessary give good results (politicians aren't forced to do what they told you before the election).


However, it is still better then fascism (or communism) where the only quality considered is the loyalty to the party. Essentially tbe problem is with authoritarian leadership, which is not exclusive to fascism (think of the useless, unqualified thugs who became ministers in Germany or Soviet Union when there was one-party rule: Göring, Speer, etc. Sweet Jesus...)


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"from Des Moines, Iowa"

You should also try it some day, luckily you missed it in the US. A good learning experience for you would be to relocate to North Korea. Not fascism, true, but the failing points of fascism are mostly the same as of communism.

What would also work is to have a conversation with some spanish folks, who lived through the Franco era, a south african from apartheid, a portuguese who saw Salazar live... Or the journalists who were thrown into the jungle from helicopters in Argentina.
 
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Kevinmeath

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May 2011
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Navan, Ireland
Well for a start what exactly is 'Fascism' since it has no clear definition

"a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"

Fascism | Definition of Fascism by Merriam-Webster

Doesn't sound very appealing to me.
 

martin76

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Dec 2014
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Spain
Fascims as his father, the socialism and as his brothers, the Communism and nazism are totalitarism, enemies from freedom... if they are wrong or not.. i don´t know... Were Spartan wrong with their Pederastic culture or not? I don´t know but they are not acceptable today.. the same with Fascism, Socialism, Communism and Nazism.. wrong or not, they are not acceptable today.
 
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Well, Fascism can work well as a medicine to restore order when society degenerates too much, however in the long term it won't last, since unlike leftist totalitarianism, that goes on in building long lasting systems if not flat out monarchies, fascism actually respects private property. Fascism is just the modern day version of ancient greece's tyrannoi, and like them, it disappears and opens the doors for democracy after a couple of generations. It's thus better to have a more well designed democratic system that can avoid degeneration in the first place; although, if that's not possible, fascism is a perfectly acceptable temporary solution: like a surgical operation, it might be ugly, but better that letting the problem go on. However, it is wrong to put the issue on an fascism vs democracy contest, because the two aren't as opposed to each other as one would think, since one will lead to the other eventually.