Why is India still facing poverty issues despite 70 years of freedom

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greatstreetwarrior

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Nov 2012
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I would like to understand the historical perspective with this because we can no longer just blame foreigners, invasions, rainfall, population etc. Many other countries have overcome these issues in shorter time to rebound quickly.

After WW2 most European economies were destroyed. Germany and Japan were nailed in the coffin yet they bounced back. China had a huge population, lost its gold reserves to Taiwan, does not rally have much oil, had large unemployment etc. It hit back soon within a generation.

The Baltic states such as Lithuania, Estonia etc. rebounded into developed economies despite being under oppressive Soviet rule for the entire time until 1989. Yet they rebounded by doing market reforms almost the same time as India. Japan has no oil or coal (much less than India), it relies on imports yet that has no impacted it from being a developed economy.

I dont understand the blame game in this country. We have huge poverty and economic inequity issues and I fail to understand why this has gone on for so long despite having a strong political system, independent judiciary, military that keeps us reasonably safe, all kinds of freedoms (association, dissent, expression etc.). We have the ingredients yet we remain 132 in Ease of Doing Business and our levels are below many Sub Saharan African nations in economic development.

When is the potential going to be realized. How long are people going to give excuses on illiteracy, population, oil, rainfall, fragmented landholdings etc. 70% population is still in agriculture which by Economic Survey has clearly shown does not need more than a quarter of the population to keep it sustainable. Agriculture is no more a selfsustaining occupation.

But where do rural folk go. Cities-which are broke in infrastructure, overpopulated, high cost of living, inflation, same salaries since 2000's etc. Uneven development is a huge problem where only the top 10 cities have most of the goods while other areas are way behind. Rather than having one big city in each states there is a need for many small cities and towns in each state that can distribute wealth and population. The quality of life from pollution, crowding, travel to work etc. is extremely horrible in India.

I know it sounds like a rant but there are a lot of thinkers on this forum. I want to have a very nuanced discussion on this especially with Indian posters and others as well. When I go to other countries and see what many of them have achieved I cant tolerate how far behind we are.
 
Jan 2016
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Because of long socialist rule of Nehru-Gandhi dynasty after independence, low efficiency of Indian bureaucracy and administration, corruption, lack of patriotism and laziness of Indians.
 
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Because of long socialist rule of Nehru-Gandhi dynasty after independence, low efficiency of Indian bureaucracy and administration, corruption, lack of patriotism and laziness of Indians.
Patriotism probably wasn't such a thing in post-WW2 Germany, so a lack of it can hardly be a factor for underdevelopment.
 

greatstreetwarrior

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Nov 2012
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Because of long socialist rule of Nehru-Gandhi dynasty after independence, low efficiency of Indian bureaucracy and administration, corruption, lack of patriotism and laziness of Indians.
These things are true but please note we discarded hardcore socialism in 1991 and some of it even during Rajeev Gandhi era. Even by that count its 25 years now. That good enough time for development. China bounced from the Great Leap policies that many thought were disastrous within half this time considering the same population problems. The pace of growth is slow. For a country where 65% people are in 18 to 55 age group growing at 7% to 8% even in normal conditions should happen consistently. Anything below 10 % growth considering our base is plain unacceptable in a good year.

The pace is poor and we are still struggling with basics such as providing clean drinking water to all houses for 24 hours, providing continuous power supply etc. Despite those weaknesses u mentioned we do have certain strengths especially democratic system, functional judiciary, reasonably strong security apparatus. I mean Singapore was a swamp in the 60's and Malayasia did not even want it and look where it is now. India should have atleast been somewhere around what Malayasia or Indonesia are today in development. And that is not asking too much.
 

holoow

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Jun 2012
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Are you aware that poverty exists in the Baltic states too?
 

greatstreetwarrior

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Nov 2012
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Are you aware that poverty exists in the Baltic states too?
yes ofcourse but lets compare to what they have achieved. Look at their rankings on Economic Freedom and global surveys. Yes Europe is not doing good but compare them without Soviet former states and see where they stand. Also note they were pretty decimated after Cold War unlike India since 1947 atleast (if not before).
 
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I think the main reason is because of the caste system.

Because of the caste, poorer Indians can't move up the social or economical ladder, so poverty is rampant.

Plus corruption.
 

greatstreetwarrior

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Nov 2012
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I think the main reason is because of the caste system.

Because of the caste, poorer Indians can't move up the social or economical ladder, so poverty is rampant.

Plus corruption.
Thats not something I can agree with as affirmative action is quite strongly applied and infact evidence points to the contrary. That there is a new neo middle class emerging from lower castes which has walked into prominent positions in urban India. Class is a problem (a poor persons avenues are harder to move) but caste is not at the same level as before.

Why are strict laws not being executed correctly and enforced??? I mean I am pretty sure there are very complex and strong laws. But they arent being enforced.
 

notgivenaway

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Jun 2015
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China still has low living standards.

I'm not Indian, but then caste, post-independence macroeconomic policies, and the adequae sharing of wealth are issues possibly.

Germany was a developed and major economy pre-wwi and wwii, with the same industries as UK and USA at the time.

Most ex-colonies that are now first world (not many like Singapore, possibly UAE and Qatar, and Canada/Australia/NZ) had infrastructure not disrupted by colonialism.
 
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