Why Isn't Taiwain part of the PRC?

heylouis

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Apr 2013
6,627
China
apparently, some of the west do not live in a world based on rules.

they do not intend to respect the established rules of the international society. in the specific case of taiwan, they intend to ignore the fact taiwan is not considered as an independent country, but taiwan is considered part of PRC.

instead, with their twisted ideas, they claim the paperworks printed by the rebellion region is something proving a "citizenship" or something proving "sovereign enough", both of which clearly are out the acceptance of international rules.

it appears, deeply rooted in their minds, mighty is right. indeed, if i have sensed anything, that is their "persuade" on a military solution of taiwan issues. once all the rebellion leaders are crashed by the iron, there would be nothing the few west called as "government" or "passport", although those are already not legal in the first place due to the established international acknowledgement of taiwan being part of PRC.

indeed, despite i am not one of those young chinese, but i understand them when they speak that they were not fans of ccp, and they were not fans of unity, UNTIL, they get outside, and faced the worst of the west. eventually, they understand what the world really is, what the dark side of any society, and how china dark side is tiny and painless compared to those from outside.

what is hurry, clock just worked for quite short time, in the long future, china will still survive and watch those play with rules finally be played by rules.
 

VHS

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Dec 2015
4,861
Florania
apparently, some of the west do not live in a world based on rules.

they do not intend to respect the established rules of the international society. in the specific case of taiwan, they intend to ignore the fact taiwan is not considered as an independent country, but taiwan is considered part of PRC.

instead, with their twisted ideas, they claim the paperworks printed by the rebellion region is something proving a "citizenship" or something proving "sovereign enough", both of which clearly are out the acceptance of international rules.

it appears, deeply rooted in their minds, mighty is right. indeed, if i have sensed anything, that is their "persuade" on a military solution of taiwan issues. once all the rebellion leaders are crashed by the iron, there would be nothing the few west called as "government" or "passport", although those are already not legal in the first place due to the established international acknowledgement of taiwan being part of PRC.

indeed, despite i am not one of those young chinese, but i understand them when they speak that they were not fans of ccp, and they were not fans of unity, UNTIL, they get outside, and faced the worst of the west. eventually, they understand what the world really is, what the dark side of any society, and how china dark side is tiny and painless compared to those from outside.

what is hurry, clock just worked for quite short time, in the long future, china will still survive and watch those play with rules finally be played by rules.
I have personally engaged a hardcore Falungong "disciple" online,
With twisted worldview, value system, and philosophy of life,
The forum members, the "disciple" and I engaged in insults.

Can meaningful communications form when both parties
hold their grounds?
Why are true communications that difficult?

While Taiwan has "de facto" rights currently,
these will not be always yet.
Do people think about the future of the ending?
 

notgivenaway

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Jun 2015
5,787
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Can't they just form a confederation, where they co-operate on foreign policy and economics, but then both are independent? This can even retain Hong Kong and its system.

The PRC isn't going to allow Taiwan to be fully independent, and Taiwan would never be a full part of the PRC.

And the PRC today isn't anywhere near the ideology of Mao. In some ways, it's more like Taiwan economically.
 

heylouis

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Apr 2013
6,627
China
Can't they just form a confederation, where they co-operate on foreign policy and economics, but then both are independent? This can even retain Hong Kong and its system.

The PRC isn't going to allow Taiwan to be fully independent, and Taiwan would never be a full part of the PRC.

And the PRC today isn't anywhere near the ideology of Mao. In some ways, it's more like Taiwan economically.
taiwan will be treated in the two system.

however, there won't be a confederation. taiwan's system has almost no advantage compared with mainland. their politicians lie. they mistreat their own police and military sections, calling those serve in the sections as moth. taiwan politicians "purchase" the vote tickets. they body fight in the legislature. one of the must do thing before the voting is their politicians visiting temples and ask for gods' support. ...

taiwan's system, at its current state, at its level of faith and honesty, deserve no equal stand with mainland's. mainland people won't accept a confederation where joiners are equal.
 
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YouLoveMeYouKnowIt

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Oct 2013
4,574
Canada
Can't they just form a confederation, where they co-operate on foreign policy and economics, but then both are independent? This can even retain Hong Kong and its system.
No. Taiwan should be either directly ruled from Beijing or joined into the mainland as a qausi-autonomous province but not like Hong Kong. More direct control from Beijing is needed as Taiwan has been exposed to Liberalism and it's toxic erosion of Chinese nationality for too long. We are witnessing in Taiwan the destruction of Sun Yat-Sen and Chiang Kai-Shek statues by Taiwanese Liberals much like acts of self-hating White SJWs we see in the West.

The PRC isn't going to allow Taiwan to be fully independent,
That's right.

and Taiwan would never be a full part of the PRC.
Don't be pessimistic.

And the PRC today isn't anywhere near the ideology of Mao. In some ways, it's more like Taiwan economically.
Ironically the PRC under the CCP is what the founding fathers of the Republic envisioned China to be like.
 

VHS

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Dec 2015
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Florania
Ironically the PRC under the CCP is what the founding fathers of the Republic envisioned China to be like.
While this is an interesting notion, can you elaborate it further?
In the webnovel of Red Dawn (赤色黎明),the time traveler Chen Ke (later, the leader of China in the novel) rates Sun Yat-Sen rather negatively.
He says that "the Three Principles of the People" has nothing to do with livelihood and daily well-being of the people, and he does not meet with Sun Yat-Sen throughout the novel.
Sun Yat-Sen doesn't play MUCH a role in this timeline at all.
 

YouLoveMeYouKnowIt

Ad Honorem
Oct 2013
4,574
Canada
While this is an interesting notion, can you elaborate it further?
In the webnovel of Red Dawn (赤色黎明),the time traveler Chen Ke (later, the leader of China in the novel) rates Sun Yat-Sen rather negatively.
He says that "the Three Principles of the People" has nothing to do with livelihood and daily well-being of the people, and he does not meet with Sun Yat-Sen throughout the novel.
Sun Yat-Sen doesn't play MUCH a role in this timeline at all.
People in the West would relate to ROC and Sun/KMT over PRC and Mao/CCP because they can relate to the former based on Republicanism and other shared "Western" values while being utterly disgusted by what they imagine in the PRC.

The fact is Chinese and the leaders don't see it that way. Their acts aren't based on Communism or Republicanism or whatever -ism or value or principles, but first and foremost based on "China."

"China" is the most important value or principle. Whatever system the founding fathers of modern China wanted and theorized, they were mostly concerned with reversing the national decay of China and the erosion of the people's spirit and desire for greatness. They want to turn the masses of Chinamen devoid of facial expressions into a people that's found their purpose and aspiration again. China was on its way to join other civilizations that are now in the ash heap of history. The founding fathers were first and foremost interested in a resurgence of the Chinese state, rebirth of Chinese civilization, and Renaissance of Chinese people. Deep down, their actions were guided by the ultimate goal of a China that is strong and prosperous, developed and advanced, and free from foreign occupation and humiliation. The CCP delivered this in the PRC and continues to deliver this. The KMT did not manage this as they only got Taiwan now, and even there it's losing the war to the rising wave of far leftists poised to steal the island away from China. Every Chinese founding father who envisioned a strong China would be turning in their graves.

The KMT are Chinese nationalists while the DDP and separatists are trying to invent a new nationality and take Taiwan away from China. This makes them traitors.
 

deaf tuner

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Oct 2013
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Europix
We are witnessing in Taiwan the destruction of Sun Yat-Sen and Chiang Kai-Shek statues by Taiwanese Liberals much like acts of self-hating White SJWs we see in the West.
Destroying statues as an act of rupture with the past, as a will to eliminate simbols of an ideology we disagree with is something that happened all over humanity's history.

I really don't see why it is "like acts of self-hating White SJWs we see in the West".

Where's the "self-hating White SJW" in demolishing Saddam's, or Lenin's, or Buddha's statues is something difficult to see.
 

heylouis

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Apr 2013
6,627
China
Destroying statues as an act of rupture with the past, as a will to eliminate simbols of an ideology we disagree with is something that happened all over humanity's history.
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Where's the "self-hating White SJW" in demolishing Saddam's, or Lenin's, or Buddha's statues is something difficult to see.
save your Historical Nihilisms.

what did Sun Yat-Sen do to taiwan? he ever damaged any rights of taiwan?

oh wait a second. you claim there is taiwan citizenship as its printed "certifications", who created the logo?

meanwhile my question is very simple too:
since ISIS and Donetsk issue passports now, are they nations?


that is one hundred times easier question to answer, you just choose "yes" or "no".

choose please, your show time
btw, you apparently have some inside problem with buddhism, don't go southeastern aisa, and say "where is the "self-hating White SJW" in demolishing Buddha's statues is something difficult to see"
a suggestion, which might save your life.
 
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