why seperate

Efendi

Ad Honoris
Jul 2009
12,418
Anatolia
The CCP gives Uighurs - as long as they don't challenge CCP political control, of course - the right to practice their culture to an extent. The Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region was created, in theory, to protect Uighur rights. In the XUAR Uighur is an official language along with Mandarin. Uighurs have easier access to government services, are exempted from the One Child Policy, etc.

The one big exception is religion. The PRC is officially atheist, and while the constitution guarantees freedom of religion in practice religion is highly regulated (this goes for Islam and also any other religions - Christianity, Buddhism, etc. Christianity and Islam seems to be the ones the Communists are most determined to control, due to their message and highly organized nature, which means that they are potential threats to the CCP's monopoly of power.) In the case of the Muslim Uighurs this means that mosque-going is discouraged, mosques and any other public religious activities have to be government approved, and of course any talk of Shariah is off the table.
For government to have aproach to religion such as Atheism implies there there are problems. I think State shouln’t support any aproach to religion. It would limit the freedom of religion.

People from all religion could have right to be organized including Muslims and Christians. If not It would open the way of radicalizations of Muslims and Christians.

Also I have no objection to record of religious activity as puplic service. Education of religious professionals, states buildings of Church, Mosque, Monastries..etc.

One more things to add people have right to organize to defend their right against to the state. If China is a democratic state yet her citizens have right to defend themshelf via Civil organizations clubs..etc against to the State.

Demand for seperations always imply limitation of democratic proplem.

Limitation of democratic rights result in racicalizations of people terrorism..etc. It doesn’t smoke without fire.

Discouraging any cultural rights means radicalizations. and answer of "why seperate"
 
Aug 2009
83
china
they can battle for democracy, no need to separate. as an common han people, I want democracy, too. but not seperate. they want the wrong thing.
btw: where can I get the documentary of their leader. I want to know their thoughts.
 
Jul 2009
29
1. OK, first of all, you need to improve your English. You're barely making sense, friend.

i understood him enough, maybe you should improve your English :rolleyes:
Really? You honestly think so? :D

But, the point remains: The Uighurs are a separate group, and I think they should have the right to decide which way their national destiny lies.

And for all those who think that just because a territory was conquered by previous dynasties, the territory becomes "theirs" in some Darwinian sense, do you then also condone-and justify-the other instances of primitive colonialism? Do you then think that the US should be returned to Britain, India to Britain or even Iran (since the Mughals were Persian Mongols), Korea to Japan, the Baltics states to Russia, the Balkans to Hungary, France to England, Italy to the French, Turkey to the Arabs, Israel to the Palestinians, Egypt to the French, or South America to the Spanish and Portuguese?

Are you honestly prepared to lose your identity to a foreign power? Because, unless you're living in Thailand, you're all doomed to do so by your own logic!
 

Toltec

Ad Honorem
Apr 2008
7,923
Hyperborea
Over the years Chinese migrants moved into Xinjiang so that there are now around the same number of Chinese as Uighurs in Xinjiang, even though Uighurs had comprised the vast majority 50 years ago.

This is a common strategy by the Chinese government. Wherever there is a minority independence movementh they move a load of Chinese people there. This means the liberal argument of if the people want independence what right do the Chinese have to say no, it's their region is nolonger valid. Now the Chinese can say half the people don't want independence and if the Uighurs deny the new migrants rights and use the racial card, assert the land is Uighur not the new migrants their indendence struggle is suddenly a nut job ultra right wing cause. It the same in Tibet with the new Chinese migrants. Chinese imperialism is effective in modern sensibilities, we have to give them that.
 
Sep 2009
1,260
Chinese dynasties have extended their realms into modern day XinJiang in various parts of their history, but if we use the same standards. than Modern day "China" should also includes.

A.Vietnam, at least over 80% of it
B. Mongolia, all of it
C. Korea, all of it.
D. Parts of Laos / Burma
E. Part of Sibera
F. Part of some other central asian nations like Afganistan.

The use of historical precedences as a reason to claim a land is dubious at best. But in real politik terms obvious the PRC have real authority over XinJian. so that's the way it is, if the local population really want indepence to the point where they are willing to bleed until the last drop, then maybe it will happen (and maybe it will not).

The reason for the conflict is obvious and have been noted by previous posters. it's quiet simply a culture shock and the bad feelings people generally get when faced with massive immigration. it will continue to exist. the CCP in their interest would obviously need to shut down any serious riots, but at the same time the best way to reach a good out come long term (without killing millions of people) would be to just try to make the local population wealthy and happy. and generally try to lower the tension using as many (non violent) ways as possible.
 

Efendi

Ad Honoris
Jul 2009
12,418
Anatolia
Chinese dynasties have extended their realms into modern day XinJiang in various parts of their history, but if we use the same standards. than Modern day "China" should also includes.

A.Vietnam, at least over 80% of it
B. Mongolia, all of it
C. Korea, all of it.
D. Parts of Laos / Burma
E. Part of Sibera
F. Part of some other central asian nations like Afganistan.

The use of historical precedences as a reason to claim a land is dubious at best. But in real politik terms obvious the PRC have real authority over XinJian. so that's the way it is, if the local population really want indepence to the point where they are willing to bleed until the last drop, then maybe it will happen (and maybe it will not).

The reason for the conflict is obvious and have been noted by previous posters. it's quiet simply a culture shock and the bad feelings people generally get when faced with massive immigration. it will continue to exist. the CCP in their interest would obviously need to shut down any serious riots, but at the same time the best way to reach a good out come long term (without killing millions of people) would be to just try to make the local population wealthy and happy. and generally try to lower the tension using as many (non violent) ways as possible.

You mean Democratic and Cultural rights?