why some Rajput and Brahmin tribes Have similar origin ?

Feb 2018
5
India
#1
Tribes like Dixit, Gautam, Kaushik, Atri, Vishwamitra, Gaur etc have both Brahmin and rajput as their members, which is strange as both ethnicities have different Social customs despite having origin from same stock.
 

Aupmanyav

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Jun 2014
5,099
New Delhi, India
#2
That is very easy. All Aryan tribes had three types of people. Priests (brahmins), warriors (kshtriyas) and those who would engage in catte rearing/griculture and other professions (vaishyas). That is why you find brahmins and kshatriyas with the same lineage. After coming into India, the people dispersed over centuries and millennuims, and developed differently in different region. The tribal bond was lost.
 
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Sep 2012
8,838
India
#3
I think what the O.P. is asking ' how is that the Brahmins ( priests ) and Kshatriyas ( warriors ) have the same ' Gotras ' ( a Gotra indicates the original ancestor of a family / caste ) if they have developed as different castes? '
And I think the answer is that initially the castes were decided by one's chosen profession but subsequently the castes tended to be decided by birth. But the caste nomenclature did not change. Hence the apparent confusion of two persons of different castes having the same ' Gotra '.
 
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Dec 2018
53
India
#4
I think what the O.P. is asking ' how is that the Brahmins ( priests ) and Kshatriyas ( warriors ) have the same ' Gotras ' ( a Gotra indicates the original ancestor of a family / caste ) if they have developed as different castes? '
And I think the answer is that initially the castes were decided by one's chosen profession but subsequently the castes tended to be decided by birth. But the caste nomenclature did not change. Hence the apparent confusion of two persons of different castes having the same ' Gotra '.
That is very easy. All Aryan tribes had three types of people. Priests (brahmins), warriors (kshtriyas) and those who would engage in catte rearing/griculture and other professions (vaishyas). That is why you find brahmins and kshatriyas with the same lineage. After coming into India, the people dispersed over centuries and millennuims, and developed differently in different region. The tribal bond was lost.
so both are part of same tribes but people got divided based on their work ?
 

Aatreya

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Dec 2014
3,412
USA
#5
Tribes like Dixit, Gautam, Kaushik, Atri, Vishwamitra, Gaur etc have both Brahmin and rajput as their members, which is strange as both ethnicities have different Social customs despite having origin from same stock.
Dixit is not a tribe. Gautama, Atreya, Vishwamitra are all gotras, and people can be any of the three Varnas to associate with a gotra.
 

Aupmanyav

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Jun 2014
5,099
New Delhi, India
#6
Yeh, there are Kaushik Rajputs and Kaushik brahmins, Vajsaneyi Rjputs and Vajsaneyi brahmins.Some people in the tribe took up certain responsibilities, others took other responsibilities.
 
Jan 2019
113
Valencia
#7
What is this use of the word "tribe"? The colonial authorities used the word "tribe" to imply savagery and used "sept" or "clan" to imply nobility. There is no such thing as a Rajput of Brahmin "tribe".
 
Jan 2019
113
Valencia
#8
There is Kinwar clan of East UP and Bihar which is both Rajput and Bhumihar. Supposedly the Rajput Kinwar men mixed with Brahmin women and the children became Kinwar Bhumihars.

Kinwar - Wikipedia

Rajnath Singh, Home Minister is a Kinwar Rajput.
 

Aupmanyav

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Jun 2014
5,099
New Delhi, India
#9
What is this use of the word "tribe"? The colonial authorities used the word "tribe" to imply savagery and used "sept" or "clan" to imply nobility. There is no such thing as a Rajput of Brahmin "tribe".
Both things exist, but words have to be used correctly. What colonials did is immaterial. Rathore is a clan, Solanki is a clan, but Jat is a tribe, Ahir is a tribe. Bharatas and Vrishnis were tribes. 'Gotra' is a clan - Atri, Kaushik.
 
Likes: Zanis
Jan 2019
1
Pakistan
#10
  1. There are only khas brahmin, khas rajput and khas shilpkar and Shilpkar (non khas). Shilpkar also have separate village but some khas shilpkar like sunar and lohar stay in village. Then plain rajput also came along with kings and they were only very few. They got land in favour of services to king.For More Details..
 

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