Why was Bulgaria not included in Yugoslavia?

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Why was Bulgaria not included in Yugoslavia? Yugoslavia means land of the Southern Slavs and all of the Southern Slavic groups were included in Yugoslavia other than the Bulgarians. What exactly is the reason for this?

I mean, Yes, Bulgaria was already independent before WWI, but so was Montenegro and yet it was incorporated into Yugoslavia whereas Bulgaria was not. Also, Montenegro was incorporated into Yugoslavia in spite of it being on the winning side of WWI. Since Bulgaria was on the losing side of WWI, it would have been even easier to incorporate it into Yugoslavia had the Serbs actually wanted to do this.

Incorporating Bulgaria into Yugoslavia would have given Yugoslavia several million additional people as well as access to the Black Sea. Plus, it could have logically been viewed as the completion of the unification of the Southern Slavs into one state. Thus, does anyone here know why Bulgaria was never incorporated into Yugoslavia?
 
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The Bulgarians would have been hostile to this and rebelled immediately. Yugoslavia would already have difficulty integrating all the other south Slavic peoples into a single state. The Montenegrans were willing participants in the formation of Yugoslavia.
 
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Here is a bit of trivia which can help put things into perspective:
When King Aleksandar I Karadjordjević married Queen Marija many countries sent delegations or emissaries (even Austria). The only country whose delegation or emissary was forbiden to attend the royal wedding? Bulgaria.
 
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Here is a bit of trivia which can help put things into perspective:
When King Aleksandar I Karadjordjević married Queen Marija many countries sent delegations or emissaries (even Austria). The only country whose delegation or emissary was forbiden to attend the royal wedding? Bulgaria.
So, there was a lot of hate between the Serbs and the Bulgarians.

The Bulgarians would have been hostile to this and rebelled immediately. Yugoslavia would already have difficulty integrating all the other south Slavic peoples into a single state. The Montenegrans were willing participants in the formation of Yugoslavia.
What made the Montenegrins willing participants in the creation of Yugoslavia? As in, why'd they agree to give up their independence?
 
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So, there was a lot of hate between the Serbs and the Bulgarians.


What made the Montenegrins willing participants in the creation of Yugoslavia? As in, why'd they agree to give up their independence?
The Serbs and Bulgarians were more or less the Germany/France of the Balkans, they were competing to conquer overlapping territories and were the two great Balkan/south slav states of the middle ages. The Montenegrans were very similar to the Serbs and were close allies of them, by unifying into a large state they could protect themselves from others. You could call it similar to the unification of Germany/Austria.
 
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What made the Montenegrins willing participants in the creation of Yugoslavia? As in, why'd they agree to give up their independence?
Montenegrins considered themselves to be Serbs until recently actually and many of them still do. The national unification of all Serbs was their goal just as it was the goal of Serb leaders from Serbia proper. The only question was under which dynasty this unification would take place - the Karadjordjević or Petrović dynasty and regarding this the two ruling houses were rivals despite having close family ties (King Nikola I of Montenegro was King Aleksandar I grandfather on his mother's side). King Nikola's son Mirko was even considered to ascend to the throne of Serbia after the overthrow of the Obrenović dynasty, but that option was soon rejected by the conspirators.
 
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Montenegrins considered themselves to be Serbs until recently actually and many of them still do. The national unification of all Serbs was their goal just as it was the goal of Serb leaders from Serbia proper. The only question was under which dynasty this unification would take place - the Karadjordjević or Petrović dynasty and regarding this the two ruling houses were rivals despite having close family ties (King Nikola I of Montenegro was King Aleksandar I grandfather from his mother's side). King Nikola's son Mirko was even considered to ascend to the throne of Serbia after the overthrow of the Obrenović dynasty, but that option was soon rejected by the conspirators.
Very interesting!

Anyway, why did the Montenegrins eventually stop viewing themselves as Serbs and seceded from Serbia?
 

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The Serbs and Bulgarians were more or less the Germany/France of the Balkans, they were competing to conquer overlapping territories and were the two great Balkan/south slav states of the middle ages. The Montenegrans were very similar to the Serbs and were close allies of them, by unifying into a large state they could protect themselves from others. You could call it similar to the unification of Germany/Austria.
Makes sense.

Also, Macedonia was their Alsace-Lorraine, correct?

Finally, if Serbia is Germany, then Montenegro is Austria--at least Austria after 1918, correct?
 
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Makes sense.

Also, Macedonia was their Alsace-Lorraine, correct?

Finally, if Serbia is Germany, then Montenegro is Austria--at least Austria after 1918, correct?
You could also flip it around and say Macedonia is Austria and Bulgaria is Germany. Both were defeated in both world wars and both lost a territory that is very similar to them and only different because of complicated recent history.
Montenegro succeeding from Serbia was partly to distance themselves form Serbia's ugly history, similar to Austria emphasizing its difference from Germany so as to avoid its ugly history.
 
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You could also flip it around and say Macedonia is Austria and Bulgaria is Germany. Both were defeated in both world wars and both lost a territory that is very similar to them and only different because of complicated recent history.
Then what's Serbia and Montenegro? France and Wallonia?

Montenegro succeeding from Serbia was partly to distance themselves form Serbia's ugly history, similar to Austria emphasizing its difference from Germany so as to avoid its ugly history.
Seceding, not succeeding.

Also, that makes sense since Serbia got a very bad reputation as a result of the Yugoslav Wars (for obvious reasons).