Why was the Trojan War so important?

#11
The simple fact remains that there is absolutely nothing to suggest that the site at Hissarlik had anything at all to do with trade. We can go with your baseless speculation about trade or we can go with the primary evidence and say that the Trojan War was a conflict between two warlords.
The distance alone more than suggests Troy was important. You don't launch 1000 ships to lay siege to a city 100's of miles away because your brothers wife has eloped. There is a reason why Menelaus did so, assuming the story is at least based on an actual event.
 
Aug 2014
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#12
You can't superimpose your modern sensibilities on that of a three thousand year old warlord. The Greeks were preoccupied with kleos and arite. Those values meant more to them than wealth or even family. If the Trojans had caused any Greek warlord to lose face, he would do whatever it took to recover it, regardless of the cost.
 
#13
You can't superimpose your modern sensibilities on that of a three thousand year old warlord. The Greeks were preoccupied with kleos and arite. Those values meant more to them than wealth or family. If the Trojans had caused any Greek warlord to lose face, he would do whatever it took to recover it, regardless of the cost.
I disagree. While the minutiae of royal life changes with fashion, Land and Wealth remain the real reasons why the 'elite' fought.

Further, Agamemnon had not actually lost face himself. You don't launch a thousand ships to save face unless you need to, or want to. It's clear he wanted to.
 
Aug 2014
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#14
Agamemnon lost face because his family lost face. If you can't put yourself into the mindset of these people then there is no point speculating about their motives.

If you want to promote this "trade" idea then we need to see some evidence. We know what a Bronze Age trading city looks like. As Matt said, there are things like docks and warehouses and piles of foreign pottery. Which aspects of those settlements are present at Hissarlik? If Troy was such an important tin-trading hub, then where are all the ingots of tin? If the Achaians wanted to keep it as a trading centre, then why did they destroy all the infrastructure that might have made trade possible?
 
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#15
Not to mention the Hittites were known to declare wars for honour causes. The Hittite King blamed the Queen of Egypt for sending his son to her for marriage which put him on the dangerous path that saw him get killed.
Bronze age civilizations did war for honour.
 
Jun 2012
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Malaysia
#19
Much more likely, it was many events occurring over several eras spanning, believe it or not, quite a substantial segment of time, conflated & merged into one single big decade-long war, for simplicity of recording by memory & oral transmission. Those different actual historical events wud quite likely hv included, among others, the campaigns of Hittite king Suppiluliuma II from Hattusa against rebellious coastal warlords, the occasional raidings & plunderings of the newly arrived Sea Peoples, the political conflicts & rivalries between different vassal, semi-vassal & quasi-vassal provincial kingdoms under various degrees of Hittite hegemony, some rare border skirmishes against the then up-and-coming Assyrians, even major conflicts between Hattusa & Egypt (including the Battle of Kadesh) etc. etc. etc.
 
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