Why would white Germans start Cultural Marxism?

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Apr 2012
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The Netherlands
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Lets see how long this one remains open.

The thought of Germans wanting to abolish European power and culture sounds a tad much when they are one of the few European countries who got their act together. It goes pretty well over there economically, no massive breakthrough in populism, they don't go on strike at the drop of a hat like France, don't enter weird experiments like Britain, don't dismantle their state of law like Poland, don't take ages to form a government like the Belgians and the Dutch. And they got lots of beer! Sounds pretty dreamy.

But I assume you talk about all that far lefty, protesty, SJW stuff. I always thought we got the Americans to thank for that one. All those discussions about race and statues start over there and then blow over to Europe.

But WWII guild would probably be the reason for Germany being into ''cultural Marxism'', whatever that means.
 
Aug 2017
115
Florida
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Lets see how long this one remains open.

The thought of Germans wanting to abolish European power and culture sounds a tad much when they are one of the few European countries who got their act together. It goes pretty well over there economically, no massive breakthrough in populism, they don't go on strike at the drop of a hat like France, don't enter weird experiments like Britain, don't dismantle their state of law like Poland, don't take ages to form a government like the Belgians and the Dutch. And they got lots of beer! Sounds pretty dreamy.

But I assume you talk about all that far lefty, protesty, SJW stuff. I always thought we got the Americans to thank for that one. All those discussions about race and statues start over there and then blow over to Europe.

But WWII guild would probably be the reason for Germany being into ''cultural Marxism'', whatever that means.
Yea I read that it was started by Germans who came to the USA to escape Nazis.
 
Jun 2017
2,909
Connecticut
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Why would white Germans want to abolish European culture and power? Makes no sense.

And how was this school of thought able to permeate so deeply in schools and media?
"European" "culture" doesn't exist as Europe was just a geography term until the very recent advent of the EU. Europe is a region with countries and nations that have been very different and distinct for most of their history and the phrase "European culture" nowadays is just a dogwhistle for Nazism and racist movements. The most prominent Nazi in America (David Duke) constantly starts whatever interview he's given using the phrase "defending European culture, heritage blah blah blah blah".

The reason the Germans are rejecting "European culture" is because they learned from history and understand all to well what happens when you go down that racist path. The Germans don't and shouldn't regret it they have recovered well from WWII and might actually achieve Hitler's dream of a German dominated Europe the exact opposite way through tolerance and inclusion.

Also SJW is social policies and has nothing to do with Marxism. Marxists and Socialists while liberal on social issues tend to view these issues as distractions from the class struggle/economic issues.

Europe's not a real continent anyway, it's considered one because of it's centrality in human events rather than it being a separate land mass with a distinctive ethnicity. People have been mass arriving from Asia and the Middle East for millennia. "European" basically just means the Northern side of the Mediterranean Sea.

I think some naive people use "European culture" to describe western culture(which has often though not always been centered in Europe, with it having originated in the Middle East and Greece before spreading) but I really do want people to be aware that it's a big time dogwhistle now and if you use that phrase in public(at least in the USA) people will think you are a white supremacist.
 
Oct 2013
14,533
Europix
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... ''cultural Marxism'', whatever that means.
Well, until now, the only thing on "cultural Marxism" managed to find out is that is meaning nothing. All I managed to gather is that it's bad, that's coming from Germany (that makes sense, can't be good coming from there :p) and that it's a marvellous "container-word". One can put anything in it, respecting two conditions: it has to be something one's dislikes, and it can't be to at right.

Now, how Germany is destroying the European culture being in the same time a thriving cultural producing country ...
 
Jun 2017
116
Skandinavia
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"European" "culture" doesn't exist as Europe was just a geography term until the very recent advent of the EU.

Isn't that to jump to conclusions? The name is just a name. Surely there has always (meaning the last 4-500 years) been a concept of "the old world", "the civilized world", "the west" etc? I don't think it's a very controversial belief that a 19th century Frenchman would feel a closer connection to an Englishman than a Japanese person.
 
Aug 2017
115
Florida
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"European" "culture" doesn't exist as Europe was just a geography term until the very recent advent of the EU. Europe is a region with countries and nations that have been very different and distinct for most of their history and the phrase "European culture" nowadays is just a dogwhistle for Nazism and racist movements. The most prominent Nazi in America (David Duke) constantly starts whatever interview he's given using the phrase "defending European culture, heritage blah blah blah blah".

The reason the Germans are rejecting "European culture" is because they learned from history and understand all to well what happens when you go down that racist path. The Germans don't and shouldn't regret it they have recovered well from WWII and might actually achieve Hitler's dream of a German dominated Europe the exact opposite way through tolerance and inclusion.

Also SJW is social policies and has nothing to do with Marxism. Marxists and Socialists while liberal on social issues tend to view these issues as distractions from the class struggle/economic issues.

Europe's not a real continent anyway, it's considered one because of it's centrality in human events rather than it being a separate land mass with a distinctive ethnicity. People have been mass arriving from Asia and the Middle East for millennia. "European" basically just means the Northern side of the Mediterranean Sea.

I think some naive people use "European culture" to describe western culture(which has often though not always been centered in Europe, with it having originated in the Middle East and Greece before spreading) but I really do want people to be aware that it's a big time dogwhistle now and if you use that phrase in public(at least in the USA) people will think you are a white supremacist.
Do you believe that it exists? They came to the USA before WWII.

According to the theory, they wanted to destroy institutions of Western culture like the family unit, Christianity, and basically do whatever they could to take power away from European people.

You can't argue with the fact that the world was owned by Europe (plus Japan) at that time.

It makes sense that someone would have wanted to end European domination. It just doesn't make sense that European people would be the ones to do it.
 
Aug 2017
115
Florida
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Well, until now, the only thing on "cultural Marxism" managed to find out is that is meaning nothing. All I managed to gather is that it's bad, that's coming from Germany (that makes sense, can't be good coming from there :p) and that it's a marvellous "container-word". One can put anything in it, respecting two conditions: it has to be something one's dislikes, and it can't be to at right.

Now, how Germany is destroying the European culture being in the same time a thriving cultural producing country ...
I'm not taking about Germany today. I'm talking about some Germans who started the Frankfurt School in the early part of the 20th century. They had to take their ideas from Germany to the USA to avoid Nazis.
 
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