Winning Wars

Sep 2019
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St Donats
Winning Wars

If you want to win wars, make sure you control ALL sides of the warring factions.

The Knights of the Garter were experts at this:

e.g. The English War of the Roses 1455 – 1487

The Wars of the Roses were a series of English Civil Wars fought for control of the throne of England between supporters of two rival cadet branches of the royal House of Plantagenet: the House of Lancaster, associated with the Red Rose of Lancaster, and the House of York, whose symbol was the White Rose of York.

KG = Knight of the Garter

Major War of the Roses Combatants:


House of Lancaster

Henry VI KG
Henry VII KG
Margaret of Anjou (Lady of the Garter)
Henry Percy, 4th Earl of Northumberland KG #213
John de Vere, 13th Earl of Oxford
KG #228
Jasper Tudor, Duke of Bedford, Earl of Pembroke KG #180
Humphrey Stafford, 1st Duke of Buckingham, 6th Earl of Stafford KG #145
John Talbot, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury
KG #173
James Butler, 5th Earl of Ormond, 1st Earl of Wiltshire KG #177
Edward Courtenay, 1st Earl of Devon
KG #241
Richard Neville, 16th Earl of Warwick
KG #181 (fought for both sides)
John Neville, 1st Marquess of Montagu KG #189

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House of York

Supported by:

Duchy of Burgundy
(Charles, Duke of Burgundy KG #201)

Edward IV KG
Richard III KG
Richard of York, 3rd Duke of York
KG #148
Richard Neville, 16th Earl of Warwick
KG #181 (fought for both sides)
John Neville, 1st Marquess of Montagu KG #189
Richard Neville, 5th Earl of Salisbury
KG #152
William Neville, 1st Earl of Kent
KG #155
John Mowbray, 3rd Duke of Norfolk,
KG #170
George Plantagenet, Duke of Clarence
KG #185
William Hastings, 1st Baron Hastings
KG #188
John Howard, 1st Duke of Norfolk
KG #207
Francis Lovell, 1st Viscount Lovell
KG #221



PDF ebook about the Knights of the Garter and some of their exploits since their foundation in 1348 in Woodstock, Oxford, England. :

https://pubastrology.files.wordpress.com/2019/09/new-world-order-of-the-knights-of-the-garter-v2_1.pdf

For a comprehensive list of Knights of the Garter since 1348 (approx 1014 in total) see:

List of Knights and Ladies of the Garter - Wikipedia
https://pubastrology.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/the-knights-of-the-garter-1348-to-1939-by-edmund-h-fellowes-pt1.pdf
https://pubastrology.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/the-knights-of-the-garter-1348-to-1939-by-edmund-h-fellowes-pt-2.pdf
 
Oct 2012
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Winning Wars

If you want to win wars, make sure you control ALL sides of the warring factions.

The Knights of the Garter were experts at this:

e.g. The English War of the Roses 1455 – 1487

The Wars of the Roses were a series of English Civil Wars fought for control of the throne of England between supporters of two rival cadet branches of the royal House of Plantagenet: the House of Lancaster, associated with the Red Rose of Lancaster, and the House of York, whose symbol was the White Rose of York.

KG = Knight of the Garter

Major War of the Roses Combatants:


House of Lancaster

Henry VI KG
Henry VII KG
Margaret of Anjou (Lady of the Garter)
Henry Percy, 4th Earl of Northumberland KG #213
John de Vere, 13th Earl of Oxford
KG #228
Jasper Tudor, Duke of Bedford, Earl of Pembroke KG #180
Humphrey Stafford, 1st Duke of Buckingham, 6th Earl of Stafford KG #145
John Talbot, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury
KG #173
James Butler, 5th Earl of Ormond, 1st Earl of Wiltshire KG #177
Edward Courtenay, 1st Earl of Devon
KG #241
Richard Neville, 16th Earl of Warwick
KG #181 (fought for both sides)
John Neville, 1st Marquess of Montagu KG #189

*****************************

House of York

Supported by:

Duchy of Burgundy
(Charles, Duke of Burgundy KG #201)

Edward IV KG
Richard III KG
Richard of York, 3rd Duke of York
KG #148
Richard Neville, 16th Earl of Warwick
KG #181 (fought for both sides)
John Neville, 1st Marquess of Montagu KG #189
Richard Neville, 5th Earl of Salisbury
KG #152
William Neville, 1st Earl of Kent
KG #155
John Mowbray, 3rd Duke of Norfolk,
KG #170
George Plantagenet, Duke of Clarence
KG #185
William Hastings, 1st Baron Hastings
KG #188
John Howard, 1st Duke of Norfolk
KG #207
Francis Lovell, 1st Viscount Lovell
KG #221



PDF ebook about the Knights of the Garter and some of their exploits since their foundation in 1348 in Woodstock, Oxford, England. :

https://pubastrology.files.wordpress.com/2019/09/new-world-order-of-the-knights-of-the-garter-v2_1.pdf

For a comprehensive list of Knights of the Garter since 1348 (approx 1014 in total) see:

List of Knights and Ladies of the Garter - Wikipedia
https://pubastrology.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/the-knights-of-the-garter-1348-to-1939-by-edmund-h-fellowes-pt1.pdf
https://pubastrology.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/the-knights-of-the-garter-1348-to-1939-by-edmund-h-fellowes-pt-2.pdf
Jeap, apparently the House of Plantagenet was also expert at this.
 
Sep 2019
4
St Donats
Winning Wars

If you want to win wars, make sure you control ALL sides of the warring factions.

The Knights of the Garter were experts at this:

e.g. The Irish Battle of the Boyne 1690

The Battle of the Boyne was a battle in 1690 between the Jacobite forces of the deposed King James II (KG #439 appointed 1642) of England and Ireland, VII of Scotland and the Williamite forces of King William III (KG #456 appointed 1653) who, with his wife Queen Mary II (his cousin and James's daughter), had acceded to the Crowns of England and Scotland in 1689. The battle took place across the River Boyne close to the town of Drogheda in the Kingdom of Ireland, modern-day Republic of Ireland, and resulted in a victory for William.

King James II’s commanders included James FitzJames, 1st Duke of Berwick (KG #495 appointed 1688)

KG 495 James_Fitz-James,_primer_duque_de_Berwick_(Museo_del_Prado).jpgKG 495 Coat_of_arms_of_James_FitzJames,_1st_Duke_of_Berwick_KG 495.jpg

Fig : Jacobite Commander - James FitzJames, 1st Duke of Berwick (KG #495 appointed 1688)

William's commander-in-chief was Frederic Herman de Schomberg, 1st Duke of Schomberg.(KG #497 appointed 1689)

KG 497 Frederick 1st Duke of Schomberg 1690.jpgKG 497 Coat_of_arms_of_Friedrich_Hermann_von_Schönberg,_1st_Duke_of_Schomberg,_KG.jpg

Fig : Williamite Commander - Frederic Herman de Schomberg, 1st Duke of Schomberg.(KG #497 appointed 1689)


The best Williamite infantry were from Denmark supplied by Prince George of Denmark (KG #487 appointed 1684).


William III and Prince George of Denmark Battle of the Boyne 1690.jpg

Fig : William III KG #456 and Prince George of Denmark KG #487 at the Battle of the Boyne, 1690 by Jan Wyck (1645–1700)

The battle took place on 1 July 1690. William's forces defeated James's army, which consisted mostly of raw recruits in a somewhat one-sided affair.

Both sides of the battle were controlled by the Knights of the Garter.

The final result had been carefully planned long before the battle took place.

PDF ebook about the Knights of the Garter and some of their exploits since their foundation in 1348 in Woodstock, Oxford, England. :

https://pubastrology.files.wordpress.com/2019/09/new-world-order-of-the-knights-of-the-garter-v2_2.pdf

For a comprehensive list of Knights of the Garter since 1348 (approx 1014 in total) see:

List of Knights and Ladies of the Garter - Wikipedia
https://pubastrology.files.wordpres...ter-1348-to-1939-by-edmund-h-fellowes-pt1.pdf
https://pubastrology.files.wordpres...er-1348-to-1939-by-edmund-h-fellowes-pt-2.pdf
 
Oct 2019
2
Eboracum
You might be onto something with this - the Jacobite Rising of 1745 in Scotland appears to follow a similar pattern where the Knights of the Garter strongly influence BOTH SIDES of the conflict:

The Battle of Culloden was the final confrontation of the Jacobite Rising of 1745. On 16 April 1746, the Jacobite forces of Charles Edward Stuart (Knight of the Garter) were decisively defeated by Hanoverian forces commanded by William Augustus, Duke of Cumberland (KG #546 appointed 1730), near Inverness in the Scottish Highlands.

Queen Anne, the last monarch of the House of Stuart, died in 1714, with no living children. Under the terms of the Act of Settlement 1701, she was succeeded by her second cousin George I of the House of Hanover, who was a descendant of the Stuarts through his maternal grandmother, Elizabeth, a daughter of James VI and I.

Raising an army consisting mostly of Scottish clansmen along with smaller units of Irish and Englishmen from the Manchester Regiment, Charles' efforts initially met with success and at one point began to threaten London. However, a series of events forced the army's return to Scotland, where they were soon pursued by an army raised by the Duke of Cumberland. The two forces eventually met at Culloden, on terrain that made the highland charge difficult and gave the larger and well-armed British forces the advantage. The battle lasted only an hour, with the Jacobites suffering a bloody defeat. Between 1,500 and 2,000 Jacobites were killed or wounded in the brief battle. In contrast, only about 300 government soldiers were killed or wounded.

The Hanoverian victory at Culloden halted the Jacobite intent to overthrow the House of Hanover and restore the House of Stuart to the British throne; Charles Stuart never again tried to challenge Hanoverian power in Great Britain. The conflict was the last pitched battle fought on British soil.


Jacobite Rising of 1745 – The Knights of the Garter Influence

Knights of the Garter - Hanoverians


Prince William Augustus, Duke of Cumberland, KG #546 appointed 1730. Best remembered for his role in putting down the Jacobite Rising at the Battle of Culloden in 1746. He is often referred to by the nickname - 'Butcher' Cumberland.

Charles Lennox, 2nd Duke of Richmond KG#544 appointed 1726. Richmond was a Lieutenant-General in the British Army and served under the notorious Duke of Cumberland in the Hanoverian campaign against the Jacobite rising of 1745.

John Montagu, 2nd Duke of Montagu KG #532 appointed 1718. In 1745, Montagu raised a cavalry regiment known as Montagu's Carabineers, which, however, was disbanded after the Battle of Culloden.

Thomas Pelham-Holles, 1st Duke of Newcastle KG #533 appointed 1718. By late 1745 he had rallied all the southern militias and regular forces against the Jacobites who withdrew to northern Scotland.

William Cavendish, 3rd Duke of Devonshire KG #550 appointed 1733. During the Jacobite rising of 1745 the Duke raised a militia unit in support of the King known as the Derbyshire Blues, which mustered at the George Inn, Derby, on 3 December 1745.

Evelyn Pierrepont, 2nd Duke of Kingston-upon-Hull KG #557 1741 When the Jacobite rising of 1745 broke out he raised a regiment called "Kingston's light horse," which distinguished itself at the Battle of Culloden. The Duke attained the rank of general in the army


Knights of the Garter - Jacobites

Charles Edward Louis John Casimir Sylvester Severino Maria Stuart (Bonnie Prince Charlie) (Knight of the Garter) – ‘The Young Pretender’.

James Francis Edward Stuart (Knight of the Garter). ‘The Old Pretender’.

Charles ignored the advice of General Lord George Murray and chose to fight on flat, open, marshy ground where his forces would be exposed to superior government firepower. He commanded his army from a position behind his lines, where he could not see what was happening. He hoped that Cumberland's army would attack first, and he had his men stand exposed to the British Royal artillery. The Jacobite attack was uncoordinated, charging into withering musket fire and grapeshot fired from the cannons, and it met with little success.


Knights of the Garter – Both Hanoverian and Jacobite Supporter?

Richard Boyle, 3rd Earl of Burlington KG #548 appointed 1730. It has also been suggested that, despite apparently being a pillar of the Hanoverian establishment, Burlington covertly and treasonably engaged in Jacobite activities.


Bonnie Prince Charlie - After Culloden

Charles ultimately evaded capture and left the country aboard the French frigate L'Heureux, arriving in France in September. With the Jacobite cause lost, Charles spent the remainder of his life on the continent, except for one secret visit to London.

Charles died in Rome of a stroke on 31 January 1788, aged 67. He was first buried in Frascati Cathedral near Rome, where his brother Henry Benedict Stuart was bishop. At Henry's death in 1807, Charles's remains (except his heart) were moved to the crypt of St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican where they were laid to rest next to those of his brother and his father near the monument to the Royal Stuarts. His mother is also buried in St. Peter's Basilica. His heart remained in Frascati Cathedral, where it is contained in a small urn beneath the floor under a monument.

The Coat of arms of The Young Pretender (Royal Arms of England) in the Palazzo di San Clemente in Florence displays the Knights of the Garter motto - 'Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense'.

Ref: Charles Edward Stuart - Wikipedia
 
Oct 2019
2
Eboracum
How did that work out in WWI? George V, Wilhelm II, Nicholas II all KG.
Don't forget these other German Knights of the Garter who played active roles in WWI:

KG #797 Prince Ernest Ludwig of Hesse (1868–1937). Appointed Knight of the Garter in 1892.
During World War I, Ernest Louis served as an officer at Kaiser Wilhelm's headquarters.

KG #814 Frederick William Victor Augustus Ernest (1882-1951), Crown Prince Imperial of Germany.
Appointed Knight of the Garter in 1901.The eldest child and heir of the last German Emperor, Wilhelm II, and the last Crown Prince of the German Empire and the Kingdom of Prussia.
During World War I, he commanded the 5th Army from 1914 to 1916 and was commander of the Army Group German Crown Prince for the remainder of the war.

The Knights of the Garter may have used WWI to consolidate their power and control over world affairs.
 

Naomasa298

Forum Staff
Apr 2010
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T'Republic of Yorkshire
Don't forget these other German Knights of the Garter who played active roles in WWI:

KG #797 Prince Ernest Ludwig of Hesse (1868–1937). Appointed Knight of the Garter in 1892.
During World War I, Ernest Louis served as an officer at Kaiser Wilhelm's headquarters.

KG #814 Frederick William Victor Augustus Ernest (1882-1951), Crown Prince Imperial of Germany.
Appointed Knight of the Garter in 1901.The eldest child and heir of the last German Emperor, Wilhelm II, and the last Crown Prince of the German Empire and the Kingdom of Prussia.
During World War I, he commanded the 5th Army from 1914 to 1916 and was commander of the Army Group German Crown Prince for the remainder of the war.

The Knights of the Garter may have used WWI to consolidate their power and control over world affairs.
Silly Billy didn't dodge the mods.