Without Israel's creation, are Mizrahi Jews still going to emigrate from the Muslim world en masse?

Tulun

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It would vary by country. In case of Algeria they would likely still emigrate en masse to metropolitan France, but in other countries the non-existence of Israel could alter the internal political developments. Anti-zionism wouldn't become then a main political theme, the Arab socialist regimes would maybe coopt them too, just like they did with Arab christians and not necessarily view them as 5th column. There wouldn't be israeli false flag operations either that were also instigating Jewish emigration... (Lavon affair, Baghdad bombings and who knows what else). Sure there would still be emigration among the richer and higher qualified Jewish communities to western countries but not in that mass exodus scale. So IMO there still would be significant Egyptian, Syrian, Iraqi, Yemeni etc Jewish communities today.
 
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Futurist

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Good points! Of course, if countries such as Iraq and Syria descend into civil war, then that is likely to cause a lot of their Jews to flee and emigrate, no? I've heard that the number of Christians in Iraq significantly fell after 2003 due to large-scale emigration as a result of the growing instability in Iraq.
 

Tulun

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Good points! Of course, if countries such as Iraq and Syria descend into civil war, then that is likely to cause a lot of their Jews to flee and emigrate, no? I've heard that the number of Christians in Iraq significantly fell after 2003 due to large-scale emigration as a result of the growing instability in Iraq.
Yes sure, but then who knows how would the whole Middle Eastern history alter without the existence of Israel, how different would be the fate of the Arab socialist regimes (Nasserism and so which in large part also lost popular credibility due to defeats from Israel). Or for that matter would there be less or more anti-monarchist Pan-Arab/nationalist/socialist coups without the existance of Israel (did her existence have an indirect effect that influenced the military coups/revolutions that dethroned some of the Middle Eastern monarchies?) , where and how would civil wars and foreign invasions appear in that case, i can't predict it. :)
 
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Futurist

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You raise some good points, Tulun! That said, though, AFAIK, the Arab Spring wasn't heavily influenced by events in Israel. Rather, Arabs simply wanted to get rid of governments that they perceived to be corrupt, tyrannical, illegitimate, and/or et cetera.
 

Tulun

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Yes but how can we predict the indirect effects. For example looking at Libya now. The current civil war is a result of the removal of Qaddafi, one of the consequences of the Arab spring. Qaddafi back then in 1969 came to power by coup as a young Nasserite Pan-Arab nationalist and socialist, in large part also inspired by the Arab-Israeli wars in his "political awakening". Now without this component, would he still be drawn to the politics and to make a coup? If didn't, would there be a civil war now? Maybe Libya would be a rich oil monarchy today like the Gulf countries. Interestingly it were the monarchies that were in crisis and falling in the 1950-60s, now the monarchies are the ones which have more political stability in the Arab world.
 
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Tulun

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Oh I don't know, just suggesting that IMO the whole political development of the Middle East could be totally different without Israel, maybe no rise of the (Pan-)Arab nationalist/socialist officers back then at all, or not to that extent, or if they still rise, maybe other factions/figures among them would come to power and would follow a different political course, commit different kind of mistakes than the existing regimes... really can't predict that :D
 
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Devdas

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Jews would been migrating to European countries and United states-Canada due to rampant persecution of Jews in the middle East, similar happening to Arab Christians these days and they are leaving middle East en masse.
 
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