Without the US, the French (& British) would be speaking German

stevev

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It seems you did not understand my post. The remaining airplans must be spared (together with planes what will be under construction) for the greater goal, the Operation Barbarossa project.
Where did you get your information? The German threw everything they could at Britain and almost won on September 7, 1940 when Britain had every functional fighter in the air over the island. Another wave might well have given Germany air dominance which is all they needed. That wave never came.
 
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Where did you get your information? The German threw everything they had at Britain and almost won on September 7, 1940 when Britain had every functional fighter in the air over the island. Another wave might well have given Germany air dominance which is all they needed. That wave never came.
Sorry, don't really agree with your assessment. It was a numbers game and the Germans were losing it. The number of British operational aircraft was steady or growing while the Germans were taking increasing losses they would struggle to keep replacing. Had they continued targeting air bases, associated equipment and air manufacturing infrastructure they may have stood a chance but even then it's doubtful. The British could have withdrawn the fighters deeper into the country and contested were the Germans were at longer range.
 

stevev

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Sorry, don't really agree with your assessment.
What I was objecting to was the idea that Germany was holding back resources for the invasion of Russia during the Battle of Britain when that decision had not yet been made. Clearly Germany needed to maintain reserves on general principles but Britain, not Russia was the enemy at the time.
 
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What I was objecting to was the idea that Germany was holding back resources for the invasion of Russia during the Battle of Britain when that decision had not yet been made. Clearly Germany needed to maintain reserves on general principles but Britain, not Russia was the enemy at the time.
Completely agree. The Germans were all in. Hitler is on record as saying Britain was the main enemy and the war could not be won until they came to terms. It was even at least partly behind the invasion of Russia the idea being the removal of another potential ally would bring about a change of thinking.
 
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Kevinmeath

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That's not what I'm saying. Prizes often lag decades behind research, there is often a great deal of disagreement as to there awarding and very good research is often overlooked.
They can be cultural bias (within the scientific community not in a national way) in awarding, only one person wins etc.

A more logical measure (to try an measure such an intangible thing is difficult) is to asses whether the British lacked behind the Germans in WWI or WWII and I can not see any evidence that they did.
 

Kevinmeath

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Where did you get your information? The German threw everything they could at Britain and almost won on September 7, 1940 when Britain had every functional fighter in the air over the island. Another wave might well have given Germany air dominance which is all they needed. That wave never came.
That might have been a fashionable assessment in the 1960's but most historians view that it was actually the British who were winning the battle and it was the Germans who had to pull back.

Its 'traditionally' said it was the switch to bombing London and gave the RAF a respite but in reality its now estimated that no matter the Germans did they were simply losing.
 

stevev

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That might have been a fashionable assessment in the 1960's but most historians view that it was actually the British who were winning the battle and it was the Germans who had to pull back.

Its 'traditionally' said it was the switch to bombing London and gave the RAF a respite but in reality its now estimated that no matter the Germans did they were simply losing.
Yes the view has changed. For one thing, the Germans had to fly from the mainland while the British were on site and could stay in the air longer.
 

Futurist

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Yes the view has changed. For one thing, the Germans had to fly from the mainland while the British were on site and could stay in the air longer.
Sort of how the French in 1914 could exploit the use of Paris's railroad system while the Germans had to operate without its use?
 

Lord Fairfax

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Just think about pure sciences. How many scientific Nobel awards had the UK before WW1 or WW2? And how many Nobel awards had Germany before WW1 or WW2 era?
I think it explains everything. :))
It explains nothing, with respect, a rather irrelevant and facile comparison.