Women and voting in Rome

Jan 2015
2,950
MD, USA
#11
There probably was an earthquake and they just believed it was by the Gods.
Yes, so? Again, by their standards, they were right! Respect for the gods was just a regular part of everyday life, in those days. People took it very seriously.

And heck, it's amazing what a lot of *modern* people believe about natural events today! Doesn't make them misogynists.

Matthew
 
Jun 2015
59
us
#12
I'm having trouble coming up with *any* ancient society that even considered letting women vote!
Ancient Egypt was the one society I can think of where women had an equal footing with men for the most part. Although nobody voted, they were able to be scribes and keep their own income and bring lawsuits and act as managers and business owners. The priestesses known as "God's Wife of Amun" were extremely powerful both politically and socially.
 
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Oct 2013
6,428
Planet Nine, Oregon
#13
Ancient Egypt was the one society I can think of where women had an equal footing with men for the most part. Although nobody voted, they were able to be scribes and keep their own income and bring lawsuits and act as managers and business owners. The priestesses known as "God's Wife of Amun" were extremely powerful both politically and socially.
They had it better than women in later periods! Totally OT, but Egyltian medicine was probably better than Civil War medicine too.
 
Aug 2017
45
New Jersey
#14
Yes, so? Again, by their standards, they were right! Respect for the gods was just a regular part of everyday life, in those days. People took it very seriously.

And heck, it's amazing what a lot of *modern* people believe about natural events today! Doesn't make them misogynists.

Matthew
I used the word misogynist for lack of a better word.
 
Aug 2019
7
USA
#15
Rome was not a sexually equal society. Women were not thought to be able to make sensible voting decisions and were usually barred from political activity - though a few did later wield some huge influence.
The inequality in Roman society had nothing to do with sex (that is a MALE British and MALE British American distortion influenced by their FOOLISH MALE ancestors who invented coverture). Freeborn males AND FEMALES were equal. Freeborn FEMALES were citizens. Servant females AND MALES were equal BUT subordinate to freeborn males AND FEMALES who were NOT servants. Slave females AND MALES were NOT equal to freeborn males AND FEMALES. Slaves were NOT citizens. Servant females AND MALES were NOT allowed to vote because they had limited rights. Slave females AND MALES were NOT allowed to vote because they were NOT citizens. Male AND FEMALE citizens would gather in the Roman Forum to hear Orators speak and to vote. Hortensia, an educated woman, was one such Orator; she spoke on the behalf of the women who were being unjustly forced by men to pay taxes on their property to pay for a war when women had the privilege to NOT pay taxes. The voting resulted in the number of women who had to pay taxes on their property to be reduced in number and the men having to loan the State money to pay for the war, which was in addition to their regular taxes. Vestal Virgins, being freeborn FEMALES had the right to vote and own property just like the other freeborn women and they were present at the Roman Forum.
 
Jan 2015
2,950
MD, USA
#16
The inequality in Roman society had nothing to do with sex (that is a MALE British and MALE British American distortion influenced by their FOOLISH MALE ancestors who invented coverture). Freeborn males AND FEMALES were equal. Freeborn FEMALES were citizens. Servant females AND MALES were equal BUT subordinate to freeborn males AND FEMALES who were NOT servants. Slave females AND MALES were NOT equal to freeborn males AND FEMALES. Slaves were NOT citizens. Servant females AND MALES were NOT allowed to vote because they had limited rights. Slave females AND MALES were NOT allowed to vote because they were NOT citizens. Male AND FEMALE citizens would gather in the Roman Forum to hear Orators speak and to vote. Hortensia, an educated woman, was one such Orator; she spoke on the behalf of the women who were being unjustly forced by men to pay taxes on their property to pay for a war when women had the privilege to NOT pay taxes. The voting resulted in the number of women who had to pay taxes on their property to be reduced in number and the men having to loan the State money to pay for the war, which was in addition to their regular taxes. Vestal Virgins, being freeborn FEMALES had the right to vote and own property just like the other freeborn women and they were present at the Roman Forum.
There's no point in responding to such silliness--and insults--so I just reported it instead.

Matthew
 
Aug 2019
7
USA
#17
The entire world was misogynistic. The above story has no basis in fact.
The entire world was NOT misogynistic. You were just taught MALE British and MALE British American distortion of what the entire world was. Cornelia Africana shared in the rule of her sons just like the Queen mother, Bathsheba, shared in the rule of Prophet-King Solomon. Fulvia ruled when her husband was away just like Queen regents (they rule when husband is away, or sick, or died and the son is to young to rule) did among the Israelites. Hephzibah was Queen regent among the Israelites. Queen of Sheba and Cleopatra were Queen regnants just like Athaliah and Esther were Queen regnant among the Israelites.
 
Aug 2019
7
USA
#18
There's no point in responding to such silliness--and insults--so I just reported it instead.

Matthew
Statements of fact and truth are NOT silliness and and insults. Learn the difference. Everyone has the the right to FREE SPEECH. Just because you are offended by it, that does NOT mean that it is HATE SPEECH. The British had an inferior culture. Deal with it.
 

Davidius

Ad Honorem
Dec 2010
4,987
Pillium
#19
. The British had an inferior culture. Deal with it.
Inferior to what? I thought we were discussing Rome here.

BTW, overuse of capitals for emphasis doesn’t enhance your point, it just makes it look like you are ranting.
May I suggest using your indoor voice if you want to be considered fairly.
 

Chlodio

Forum Staff
Aug 2016
4,320
Dispargum
#20
Tabitha, welcome to Historum. Going back to Caldrail's statement "Rome was not a sexually equal society..." If you disagree with this statement, your most effective response is to cite primary sources proving that Rome was a sexually equal society. Any other response just isn't going to resonate with this community.
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