Worst intelligence failure/covert action in US history?

Greatest US intelligence/covert action failure?

  • Pearl Harbour

    Votes: 14 29.2%
  • Battle of the Bulge

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • Atomic Spies

    Votes: 5 10.4%
  • Chinese intervention in Korea

    Votes: 6 12.5%
  • The Bay of Pigs

    Votes: 9 18.8%
  • Tet Offensive

    Votes: 4 8.3%
  • U2

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • USS Peublo

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Iranian revolution

    Votes: 4 8.3%
  • Eagle Claw

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • Iran/Contra

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • Other?

    Votes: 3 6.3%

  • Total voters
    48
Jan 2015
3,358
Front Lines of the Pig War
#61
The officer was a fighter pilot Lt. Kermit Tyler, who was doing a "familiarisation tour" and had been told to stay after all the other officers had left for breakfast. he had little authority and the radar station was not yet fully integrated into any defence system.
Quite correct, but given the "War Warning" within the past week, the duty officer should have passed it up the chain of command at a minimum.


The senior commanders at Hawaii were fearful of sabotage, but they considered a major attack this far from their bases beyond the capabilities of the Japanese navy.
Indeed, and that's partly where the intelligence failure was. And a rather foolish belief it was, there was no reason to doubt that Japanese carriers could make it to Hawaii.
 
Oct 2018
20
Baja, Mexico
#63
A ship like the USS Pueblo, on a covert intelligence gathering mission, will never have an escort. We needed some specific information and she was sent to get it. There were errors: The fleet should have known where she was in case she was attacked. She should have not have had a gun. Her navigation was imperfect; she was too close to shore. Many other similar missions have resulted in higher loss of life without the hoopla surrounding this case.[/QUOTE
The officer was a fighter pilot Lt. Kermit Tyler, who was doing a "familiarisation tour" and had been told to stay after all the other officers had left for breakfast. he had little authority and the radar station was not yet fully integrated into any defence system.





The senior commanders at Hawaii were fearful of sabotage, but they considered a major attack this far from their bases beyond the capabilities of the Japanese navy.[/QUOT
The officer was a fighter pilot Lt. Kermit Tyler, who was doing a "familiarisation tour" and had been told to stay after all the other officers had left for breakfast. he had little authority and the radar station was not yet fully integrated into any defence system.





The senior commanders at Hawaii were fearful of sabotage, but they considered a major attack this far from their bases beyond the capabilities of the Japanese navy.
[I don't know how to remove all of the quotes.] The Japanese Navy deserved a medal for being able to assemble such a huge armada and move it across the Pacific Ocean without it being detected. Also, we seem to ignore that Japan attacked the British Navy at Singapore simultaniously. We had cut off the flow of oil to the Japanese homeland and her goal was to cripple the US and UK Navies to give her a free hand in S Asia.
 
Oct 2018
20
Baja, Mexico
#64
Dick Cheney lying about WMD in Iraq, and, he knew it was a lie. Starting a war for Cheney’s personal gain is contemptible and lower than the belly of a snake.
Oh, yeah! I'd forgotten about that one! Thanks for reminding me. Cheney really is an *******'s *******. What was the name of his company?
 
Oct 2018
20
Baja, Mexico
#65
KAL007
KAL007 was a regularly scheduled South Korean Airliner. It left Anchorage, AK, on a flight to Soule. The flight was to take it near the Kamchatka Peninsula as part of the route. The USSR had a secret missile base on the peninsula which we badly wanted photos of. The regular pilot was replaced with a member of South Korean Intelligence. The idea was to have the plane overfly Kamchatka due to a navigation error while cameras fitted into the plane's nose photographed the base. The plane had about 300 passengers on board. As the plane crossed the peninsula, Soviet fighters intercepted it and demanded that it land. When it did not respond, it was shot down and all aboard were killed.
 
Jan 2015
3,358
Front Lines of the Pig War
#66
Oh, yeah! I'd forgotten about that one! Thanks for reminding me. Cheney really is an *******'s *******. What was the name of his company?
Hi, welcome to the forum!
Unfortunately discussion of politics is not permitted post-1991, so it's best to leave Cheney, Bush(2nd) and Clinton (either) out of any discussion, otherwise the Mods may issue warnings.
 
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Oct 2018
20
Baja, Mexico
#69
Although FDR had been warned about the danger of an attack against Hawaii.
Nonetheless, the "War Warning" alert the week before should have been enough to prompt a far more robust and vigilant defence.

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Air patrols!?
They had the Japanese strike force on radar for cryin' out loud!
A brand new radar manned by inexperienced technicians who were expecting a force of B-17s to arrive from the mainland. Yes, I know the inconsistencies, but the fact that a Japanese invasion force was not on their minds simply made them see the little green blips on the screen the way they expected to see the little green blips on the screen. Remember, radar itself was brand new.
 

sparky

Ad Honorem
Jan 2017
4,782
Sydney
#70
A marvel of faulty intelligence ,
the US federals estimate of the confederates armies numbers wrong by twice the real amount ,
all those imaginary soldiers gave Little mac the wobbles ,
 

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