Would a surviving Napoleonic Empire have eventually sought to expand outside of Europe?

pugsville

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Oct 2010
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#42
If he ever wanted bring Britain to the negotiating table, yes.
that's not sharing in any sense of the world but dictating to a minor or totally defeated power. It's not something the Russians would willingly accept for long. Comprehensive Military defeat would not enable such measures. Only some long term French occupation on Russian ports on the Baltic and that's a very tall order.

But Napoleon was trading with Britian , selling them grain when the british had a shortage. By teh time Naploen invaded Russia, Napoloen himself had mostly made the continitial system mainly about french dominace rather than effective economic war agianst Brittan.
 
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sparky

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Jan 2017
4,097
Sydney
#43
Sound like an excuse to go invading ,
Napoleon had some issues with an invasion fetish

a great organizer much given to micromanagement , he could have reformed Europe borders in a more rational way
using nationalism and a thirst for representative institutions

but once he got the Imperial crown , he craved monarchical respectability
like a nouveau rich wanting to be accepted in the club
 

Futurist

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May 2014
16,798
SoCal
#44
that's not sharing in any sense of the world but dictating to a minor or totally defeated power. It's not something the Russians would willingly accept for long. Comprehensive Military defeat would not enable such measures. Only some long term French occupation on Russian ports on the Baltic and that's a very tall order.

But Napoleon was trading with Britian , selling them grain when the british had a shortage. By teh time Naploen invaded Russia, Napoloen himself had mostly made the continitial system mainly about french dominace rather than effective economic war agianst Brittan.
What year did Nappy sell grain to Britain?

Also, you're suggesting that the continental system had outlived its purpose by 1812, correct? If so, the wise move for Nappy would have been to outright scrap it, no?

In addition, wasn't Nappy worried about a Russian invasion of Poland?
 

pugsville

Ad Honorem
Oct 2010
8,673
#49
What year did Nappy sell grain to Britain?
1809 and 1810.

Also, you're suggesting that the continental system had outlived its purpose by 1812, correct? If so, the wise move for Nappy would have been to outright scrap it, no?
Once Napoloen had introduced the License system, increasingly the continietial system became a system of imperial franch trade at the expensse of the rest of the continent. Napoloen had a very merchantile view of ecnominics, the license systsem, trade duties the elimination of competition, he would have had accpet less of an economic take. Not tin his nature.

In addition, wasn't Nappy worried about a Russian invasion of Poland?
There was no prospect of invading Poland until 1812 and it was Russian invasion and attack on the French Empire. One meant the other.
 
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Mar 2016
911
Australia
#50
Why exactly did Russia want war with France? Merely to reconquer Poland?
The Russian nobility were sick of their country bowing to the will of the French and having to comply with their - in their own eyes - unfair and counter-productive policies like the Continental System. The Russian government had instituted massive reforms and overhauls to their military to the point where they believed it could effectively stand up to the French Empire. With an increasingly sizeable portion of the French army tied down in Iberia, the Russians decided to roll the dice and take the risk of antagonising the French in the hopes of war. Cooperating with Napoleon had brought the Russians basically no benefits, only the loss of their allies in Prussia and Austria, and a massive economic crisis that severing trade with Britain (Russia's #1 trading partner) brought on. Alexander was allegedly threatened that if he didn't take an aggressive stance against the French, he would meet the same fate as his father Paul, who was assassinated by Russian nobles with the backing of the British, for being too pro-France.
 
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