Would an alternative timeline where Hitler had free reign over Europe be preferable to what actually occurred?

Oct 2014
42
Toronto
#1
Considering the Soviets, as part of the victors and allies, occupied the Eastern Half of Europe with brutal communist authoritarian regimes and Stalin himself was responsible for the deaths of millions in his own country...would Hitler having free reign have been any different to our timeline in terms of human suffering and pain?
 
Mar 2019
1,184
Kansas
#2
Considering the Soviets, as part of the victors and allies, occupied the Eastern Half of Europe with brutal communist authoritarian regimes and Stalin himself was responsible for the deaths of millions in his own country...would Hitler having free reign have been any different to our timeline in terms of human suffering and pain?
No
 

Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
18,699
SoCal
#3
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This. The one area where a Nazi victory might have made some difference is if the Jews of Europe would have been deported to, say, Madagascar rather than outright murdered. Still, considering that the Nazis literally equated the Jews with rats, I certainly don't foresee a very bright future for the Jews in Madagascar if the Nazis will decide to run it as a giant concentration camp. :(

Also, in a Nazi victory scenario, the Soviet Union will likely get pushed east of the Urals--presumably with the deportations of tens of millions of Slavs east of the Urals as well. :( The European part of the Soviet Union was the historical homeland of Eastern Slavs; to lose it would be like having Americans lose the original Thirteen Colonies while keeping the territories west of the Mississippi. :(
 

Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
18,699
SoCal
#5
Considering the Soviets, as part of the victors and allies, occupied the Eastern Half of Europe with brutal communist authoritarian regimes and Stalin himself was responsible for the deaths of millions in his own country...would Hitler having free reign have been any different to our timeline in terms of human suffering and pain?
Well, at least in real life the Eastern Slavs (Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians) weren't pushed east of the Urals en masse. Would you like it if Americans were expelled from the US's original territory and deported en masse west of the Mississippi?
 
Mar 2016
1,106
Australia
#8
Stalin being terrible doesn't justify or minimize Hitler's actions. While Soviet occupation was awful in many ways, it at least was not blatantly genocidal like Hitler's regime was. Imagine the shocking level of death and destruction that Hitler would have achieved had he ruled Eastern Europe for decades - he didn't dislike the Slavs because of their political or economic views like the Soviets did with "capitalists", he disliked them because of their genetics and 'race'. He had every intention of treating the Slavs almost as badly as the Jews.

But I'd rather we just live in this current timeline where Hitler was defeated and after Stalin's death the USSR was run by somewhat less psychopathic men. What played out in reality was the least bloody possible route - total Nazi domination or total Soviet domination would both be considerably worse than what we actually got.
 

Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
18,699
SoCal
#9
Stalin being terrible doesn't justify or minimize Hitler's actions. While Soviet occupation was awful in many ways, it at least was not blatantly genocidal like Hitler's regime was. Imagine the shocking level of death and destruction that Hitler would have achieved had he ruled Eastern Europe for decades - he didn't dislike the Slavs because of their political or economic views like the Soviets did with "capitalists", he disliked them because of their genetics and 'race'. He had every intention of treating the Slavs almost as badly as the Jews.

But I'd rather we just live in this current timeline where Hitler was defeated and after Stalin's death the USSR was run by somewhat less psychopathic men. What played out in reality was the least bloody possible route - total Nazi domination or total Soviet domination would both be considerably worse than what we actually got.
For what it's worth, AFAIK, Hitler's original goal in regards to the Jews was expulsion rather than mass murder. Of course, if expelling Jews and Slavs en masse from Eastern Europe is going to prove too logistically problematic and/or too cumbersome (considering that there would be tens of millions of Slavs--if not even more--who are going to be scheduled to be deported if the Nazis will win WWII), the Nazis could still theoretically resort to mass murder. :(

In any case, though, seeing the Eastern Slavs lose their homelands would be absolutely terrible. :(
 

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