Would an alternative timeline where Hitler had free reign over Europe be preferable to what actually occurred?

Dec 2015
3,743
USA
#21
Considering the Soviets, as part of the victors and allies, occupied the Eastern Half of Europe with brutal communist authoritarian regimes and Stalin himself was responsible for the deaths of millions in his own country...would Hitler having free reign have been any different to our timeline in terms of human suffering and pain?
It would have been preferable to the Hitler supporters but not the English or free French forces for example. Also Not everyone agrees with your depiction of the USSR or Eastern Communist countries.
 
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Feb 2019
812
Serbia
#22
Considering the Soviets, as part of the victors and allies, occupied the Eastern Half of Europe with brutal communist authoritarian regimes and Stalin himself was responsible for the deaths of millions in his own country...would Hitler having free reign have been any different to our timeline in terms of human suffering and pain?
Our timeline would've been different in terms of blood spilled and people oppressed: It would be far, far worse. Imagine a world where all the people that the Nazis considered inferior are exterminated, displaced and enslaved. Along with the massacres and atrocities committed by the other Axis powers I would say that a world where Hitler won is possibly the worst scenario imaginable. You also paint the USSR as something that was unchanged from the times of Stalin until its collapse. USSR under Stalin was different than the USSR under Lenin. the USSR under Brezhnev was far different than that of the USSR under Stalin. The notion that people were butchered en masse and that you could be sent to the Gulag in the middle of the day only holds true for Stalin's time. The USSR changed significantly during its short existence. It was still a dictatorship with limited freedom and a poor economic system but using it to justify Hitler's actions is very strange to say the least.
 
Jun 2017
2,909
Connecticut
#23
Considering the Soviets, as part of the victors and allies, occupied the Eastern Half of Europe with brutal communist authoritarian regimes and Stalin himself was responsible for the deaths of millions in his own country...would Hitler having free reign have been any different to our timeline in terms of human suffering and pain?
No. The Soviets goal even under Stalin wasn't to empty the region of it's inhabitants. The people Stalin murdered were a means to an end. With Hitler and the Nazi ideology the murder or at the very least the removal of those area's populations was the end itself. It being worse was inevitable. An obvious exception would be the groups who got their independence/more territory from Hitler who weren't going to be exterminated(Hungary, Croats, Slovaks etc) in this alternative scenario but speaking for the entire region, it would have been worse under Nazi domination.

For countries that aren't the exceptions noted above don't think it's close either.
 
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Feb 2016
4,441
Japan
#24
You forgot to mention the mass deportation of Slavs east of the Urals. :(
Equally repellent, but I read the OP to mean if our Europe, the west, would be better off under a unified Reich. As most of the Slavs would be under the Soviet’s they’d be not subject to the Reich I figure.

But no. The Commies might treat humans as expendable, but the Reich viewed some as slaves and animals. Extremely warped and twisted people...
 

MAGolding

Ad Honorem
Aug 2015
2,895
Chalfont, Pennsylvania
#25
Are you asking whether an alternate timeline with victorious Germany would be better than what happened in the past from 1945 to 2019, or are you asking whether an alternate timeline with victorious Germany would be better than what happened in the past from 1945 to 2019 and what will happen in the future from 2019 to 3019 and to 30019 and to 300019 and to 3000019, and son on into the future?

The future is not fixed. Many possible things can happen during the rest of 2019, for example, and it is possible that there will be alternate universes where every possible thing happens. But more probable alternate universes should be more common than less probable alternate universes.

It is easy to picture a possible future that is very dire. For example, World War Three could happen in 2020, with thousands of nuclear warheads exploding, killing hundreds of millions of people. Civilization might collapse, leading to billions more deaths. Possibly civilization will never be rebuilt in tens or hundreds of thousands or millions of years. And for all those tens or hundreds of thousands of years, or millions of years, that humans live without civilization, a total of many tens of billions of humans will be born and die, and many, perhaps most, will die decades younger than people in advanced technological societies live to be. So it is possible to imagine that World War Three could result in tens or hundreds of billions of premature deaths over millions of years.

Since we haven't experienced the future yet, it is impossible to say for certain how an alternate universe with Nazi Germany victorious would compare to the future, along the spectrum from being almost infinitely better to being almost infinitely worse.

But the past from 1945 to 2019 seems to have been better with a defeated Nazi Germany.

But on the other hand it is hard to predict what would be found if someone could visit all the hypothetical alternate universes resulting from Nazi victory and from Nazi defeat, and calculate the probability of World War Three destroying civilization in the alternate scenarios.
 
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AlpinLuke

Forum Staff
Oct 2011
26,889
Italy, Lago Maggiore
#26
Considering the Soviets, as part of the victors and allies, occupied the Eastern Half of Europe with brutal communist authoritarian regimes and Stalin himself was responsible for the deaths of millions in his own country...would Hitler having free reign have been any different to our timeline in terms of human suffering and pain?
Considering that Nazis wanted to use Slavs as slavers to make them work until death to prepare the "Lebensraum" for the supposed "superior" Aryan race ... a Nazi domination would have caused well more losses [military and civilian] that Stalin: today Russians wouldn't exist ...

So ...

As assistant moderator, I'm not supposing that you are a supporter of the ideology followed by Hitler, but allow me to have a little doubt.
 
Oct 2013
14,533
Europix
#27
No.

As an "enemy of the people" in URSS one could always (even if faking) reject it's former misdoings, repent and became a fervent communist. One might even succeed.

As a Jew (or Gypsy, or Slav, or whatever) in Nazi Germany one would remain that: a Jew (or Gypsy, or Slav, or whatever).
 
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Scaeva

Ad Honorem
Oct 2012
5,630
#28
If we could choose an alternate outcome for the war in the spring of 1945, mine would be Hitler being captured alive by the Soviets. He deserved whatever they would have had in store for him.
 
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Naomasa298

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Apr 2010
35,069
T'Republic of Yorkshire
#29
If we could choose an alternate outcome for the war in the spring of 1945, mine would be Hitler being captured alive by the Soviets. He deserved whatever they would have had in store for him.
If Hitler had been captured by the Soviets, I doubt there would have been a Nuremberg trial. The Soviets would have wanted to put him on a show trial. They wouldn't have handed him over to an international tribunal.
 
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