Would Eastern Europe have received a lot of non-White immigration over the last 75 years if it wasn't for Communism?

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Sure, it has to be globalist agenda. It is absolutely cannot be connected to that unimportant guy named Adolf ******* Hitler, who showed what extreme nationalism leads to. Of course not. It has to be leftist plot to destroy all cultures.
Nationalism is simply a political ideology that places the interests of the nation and its people first. This includes the preservation of the traditional demographic makeup and culture of the society to which one belongs. If one is going to argue that nationalism is an inherently evil ideology due to its abuse by a certain German leader, than one can also argue that socialism is an inherently evil ideology due to the excesses and mass murders committed by the likes of Josef Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Pol Pot.

It is not the ideology that is corrupt, nationalism is in fact in full accordance with natural law, it is particular individual leaders espousing a particular ideology that should be condemned. NOT the ideology itself.
 
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Futurist

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Nationalism is simply a political ideology that places the interests of the nation and its people first. This includes the preservation of the traditional demographic makeup and culture of the society to which one belongs. If one is going to argue that nationalism is an inherently evil ideology due to its abuse by a certain German leader, than one can also argue that socialism is an inherently evil ideology due to the excesses and mass murders committed by the likes of Josef Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Pol Pot.

It is not the ideology that is corrupt, nationalism is in fact in full accordance with natural law, it is particular individual leaders espousing a particular ideology that should be condemned. NOT the ideology itself.
Yep--you are correct. Various ideologies could be misused, but this in itself doesn't necessarily make these ideologies bad ones.
 
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Yep--you are correct. Various ideologies could be misused, but this in itself doesn't necessarily make these ideologies bad ones.
Precisely. Demonizing an entire ideology simply due to the excesses of a single ruler is what led to the myriad problems the contemporary West is facing today. Multiculturalism (for the record a multicultural world is a good thing, a multicultural nation is what brought us Yugoslavia's many genocides in the 1990s), unchecked mass immigration, secularism, feminism, the reversal of traditional gender roles, the degradation of traditional morality, globalization, the degeneracy of popular culture etc...

The only sane, and practical solution for Western nations following the conclusion of the Second World War would have been to condemn Hitler and Nazism, while still maintaining a strong nationalist political ideology. Nationalism divorced from Nazism is not only possible, but practical as is well attested for centuries before the 1930s.

Adolf Hitler was certainly a monster, and no rational human being would argue otherwise. But Angela Merkel and her globalist, immigration loving ilk are not the remedy. Germans should not allow a single bad episode in their nation's history to quench their national pride.
 

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Demonizing an entire ideology simply due to the excesses of a single ruler is what led to the myriad problems the contemporary West is facing today.

[…]secularism, feminism[…]
It seems to me here that you are against demonizing ideologies, but than in the same post you demonized at least two “ideologies”, let us call them this way for the sake of reasoning: Secularism and Feminism.
 
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It seems to me here that you are against demonizing ideologies, but than in the same post you demonized at least two “ideologies”, let us call them this way for the sake of reasoning: Secularism and Feminism.
Not at all. I was "demonizing" contemporary Western society, not a specific ideology. The aforementioned ideologies only arose due to the trend towards cultural liberalism which prevailed at the end of the Second World War.
 

Tulius

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Not at all. I was "demonizing" contemporary Western society, not a specific ideology. The aforementioned ideologies only arose due to the trend towards cultural liberalism which prevailed at the end of the Second World War.
Both ideologies have their roots in the late 18th or 19th centuries. Secularism prevailed in several countries even before the first world war and women gained the right to vote in several countries and legal equal rights also before the Second World War.

But that was not the point, my point, in other words, was that you were “demonizing" contemporary Western society, including those ideologies. Or weren’t you being critical to Feminism and Secularism as two of the origins of the problems of the contemporary Western society?
 

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That doesn't disprove anything. Oil is a resource. Qatar and UAE's excellent geography and population density give it the edge in global shipping and finances and to ship that oil. Many African nations are rich in resources....are they rich like Qatar?
Qatar official figures are meaningless because of a massive underclass of non-citizens who have no rights and a minimal share of the nation's wealth. Qatar citizens make up less than 15% of the total population. Non-citizens (over 85% of the population) are not counted in any per-capita calculations. If you want to see what our society will be like in the future with much of the work being done by robots then Qatar is an excellent case study.
 
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Both ideologies have their roots in the late 18th or 19th centuries. Secularism prevailed in several countries even before the first world war and women gained the right to vote in several countries and legal equal rights also before the Second World War.

But that was not the point, my point, in other words, was that you were “demonizing" contemporary Western society, including those ideologies. Or weren’t you being critical to Feminism and Secularism as two of the origins of the problems of the contemporary Western society?
Yes, but they never would have been as prevalent as they are today if it wasn't for the aftermath of the Second World War. Of course I was being critical of feminism and secularism. They are part of a process which is ultimately going to result in the downfall of Western Civilzation if left unchecked.

There is a big difference between giving women the right to vote, and having them usurp the natural position of man in a leadership role and in the work place.
 

Tulius

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Yes, but they never would have been as prevalent as they are today if it wasn't for the aftermath of the Second World War. Of course I was being critical of feminism and secularism. They are part of a process which is ultimately going to result in the downfall of Western Civilzation if left unchecked.
Again, some of the more intense moments of the secularism were previous to the WWII. The case of France is paradigmatic were there was an intense campaign against the church (Catholic in this case). For instance in my country, Following the example of France, we had in the First Republic a president that said something like that he would convert Portugal in a country of atheists in lest than 10 years. There were assaults to the churches and their properties were sized. We don’t see that secular violent anti-clericalism after WWII.

But for the record, you think that religion should interfere in the maters of the state? Which religion?

EDIT: For reference about the anti-clericalism, Wikipedia has the basics: Anti-clericalism - Wikipedia

There is a big difference between giving women the right to vote, and having them usurp the natural position of man in a leadership role and in the work place.
If the women have the same rights as the men, they can vote and go to work, if they go to work it is “natural” that they have expectations to be successful in professional terms and try to achieve positions of leadership. If it is a usurpation, as you say, than it would be best not to give them rights at all and maintain them in the kitchen.
 
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Dan Howard

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Yes, but they never would have been as prevalent as they are today if it wasn't for the aftermath of the Second World War. Of course I was being critical of feminism and secularism. They are part of a process which is ultimately going to result in the downfall of Western Civilzation if left unchecked.

There is a big difference between giving women the right to vote, and having them usurp the natural position of man in a leadership role and in the work place.
Feminism and Secularism are the reasons why your so-called "western civilization" hasn't already collapsed.
 
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