Your oppinion on odd skeleton position found in Roman tomb

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But it isn't, as was discussed on the first page of this thread. Unless, of course, you want hard proof that this was never used in India. But that's asking to prove a negative again, which is still logically impossible.

You can't just keep bringing up hypotheticals to push the discussion back. There is simply no reason to lend the theory the slightest bit of credence.

Why making a storm in a cup of water? Proofs belong to the domain of math and logic and let us leave them there, the OP only asks for opinions and info on the subject which have been kindly provided so far but don't seem conclusive to substantiate any theory.
 

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BTW I had overlooked this but the newspaper article mentions that the person was robust and healthy, died at 50 and showed pathologies of someone who walked a lot, and was veiled outdoors for some days.

"What is certain is that this strange individual, according to the anthropological report elaborated following the discovery, presented pathologies that revealed "that he walked a lot and stood and was a robust and healthy individual." , revealing the effort they were subjected to after intense walks. "He died at the age of 50, was 1.62 meters tall and was veiled outdoors for a few days, but did not die in meditation," the report continues. /O certo é que este estranho indivíduo, descreve o relatório antropológico elaborado na sequência da descoberta, apresentava patologias que revelaram “que caminhava muito e de pé e era um indivíduo robusto e saudável.” Os ossos na zona de intercepção com os músculos apresentavam umas cristas, reveladoras do esforço a que foram sujeitos depois de intensas caminhadas. "Morreu aos 50 anos, tinha 1,62 metros de estatura e terá sido velado ao ar livre durante uns dias, mas não morreu em meditação”, continua o relatório."

It also mentions the visit by some Indians who aknowledged this was a yoga master:
"The symmetry of the position and the way it was placed "could only be achieved by the great masters", underlines the archaeologist, who interpreted the way it was inhumanized as "a handbook how to do that position correctly."

The doubts that arose, the way of burial and the ignorance of parallel situations to interpret this individual impelled Miguel Serra to put the photo of the unpublished archaeological find in the blogs. "And that was when we had a surprise when, in 2012, the International Yoga Day was held in Beja." Several Indians who traveled to the Alentejo city were perplexed by the finding that left them no doubt: “He was a yoga master”, says Miguel Serra, emphasizing the insistence on photographing himself in the space where the burial was discovered in Rua Gomes Palma, next to to the so-called Cod Garden./
A simetria da posição e a forma como estava colocado “só era possível de alcançar pelos grandes mestres”, sublinha o arqueólogo, que interpretou o modo como foi inumado como “um manual como fazer correctamente aquela posição.”

As dúvidas que suscitou, a forma de enterramento e o desconhecimento de situações paralelas para interpretar este indivíduo impeliram Miguel Serra a colocar a foto do inédito achado arqueológico nos blogues. “E foi então que tivemos uma surpresa, quando, em 2012 se realizou, em Beja, o Dia Internacional do Ioga”. Vários indianos que se deslocaram à cidade alentejana ficaram perplexos com o achado que não lhes deixava dúvidas: “Era um mestre de ioga”, conta Miguel Serra, realçando a insistência em se fotografar no espaço onde foi descoberto o enterramento na Rua Gomes Palma, junto ao chamado Jardim do Bacalhau."
 
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An alternative explanation is that there were wandering philosophers practising oriental style sitting meditation, maybe introduced by Apollonius of Tyana.
 

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Thank you very much Ario that article is interesting at many levels.

Since Plato describes Socrates meditating standing always assumed this would be the standard posture for philosophers but maybe seated cross legged postures were already being used, haven't came across it but haven't read enough either and after all these are universal postures.

On top of that while Sweedish gymnastic hadn't been invented yet maybe some wandering philosophers were also street contortionists and exhibited great flexibility.
 
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On top of that while Sweedish gymnastic hadn't been invented yet maybe some wandering philosophers were also street contortionists and exibited great flexibility.
I'm glad your turning towards my "he's an interpretive dancer" theory. After all, that can't be disproved either
 

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Not at all Olleus, but if you want to provide a serious explantion for your theory that fits the description you are welcome.
 
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Pythagoras and the Celtic Druids are described as believing in reincarnation.. and there are many Celtic and Romano-Celtic depictions of figures and gods sitting in the cross-legged position associated with Hinduism and Buddhism. Burials with crossed legs are found in Europe dating back to the Bronze Age. This might have something to do with the Indo-European connection between Europe and India.
 
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Ario I remember reading a post from you in another thread sometime ago on that issue and was very interesting. But since from the 3rd century CE there doesn't seem to have been found any burials like this in Europe so far, and since there is a considerable amount of time separating the ones featured in your article and this one can there be a link?

Don't know exactly what was the main drive behind the burials and mummifications presented by Tammuz in the first page of the thread but one can understand a perserverance in meditation beyond death in an Asian context, and how sitting meditation is central and often depicted in art, that can justify it, but here outside of the Yogi theory is more difficult.
 
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