Charvaka and Epicureanism: A Brief Comparative Essay

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Merriam-Webster defines “religion” as “an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or group of gods.” Few concepts have had a greater impact on human history than religion; every culture, every society, and every civilization in human history has invariably been a host to some sort of religion at some point in time. However, just as the concept of religion is universal and is found in many different cultures, so is the questioning of religion, and the tradition of skepticism and rationalism. For at least 2500 years, there have been humans who questioned the religious beliefs and practices of their respective cultures, and propounded alternate explanations of the universe and the “meaning of life” in place of traditional religious explanations. This essay will briefly present the views of such individuals from two very different civilizations, namely ancient India and ancient Rome. In particular, this paper will compare the views of the Charvaka school of Indian philosophy, with the views of the famous Epicurean school.

Before delving into the philosophy of the Charvakas, it is important to first provide some background about the religion and philosophy of the ancient Indians. The religion of ancient India was characterized by ritual chants from the Vedas, a corpus of sacred texts that were passed on orally by the Brahmans, the priestly class. The word veda literally means “knowledge” or “wisdom”, and shares a common linguistic ancestor with the German word wissen, as well as the English word wisdom itself. [1] The Vedic corpus consisted of three main texts – the Rig Veda, the Yajur Veda, and the Sama Veda – as well as a collection of prose texts known as the Brahmanas, which contain instructions for the proper conduct of rituals. In the orthodox Hindu view, the Vedas are regarded as infallible texts that are divinely inspired, or “heard” (shruti) rather than merely “created” by man. The Indian schools of thought (darshanas) that accept the authority of the Vedic corpus are called the astika (“orthodox”) schools.

Around the mid-1st millennium B.C.E., there was a wave of intellectual “dissent” in India that resulted in the emergence of heterodox, or nastika, schools of thought. These “heterodox” schools of thought were characterized by their skeptical and rational outlook, and their rejection of the Vedic corpus. The three main heterodox schools included Buddhism, Jainism, and Charvaka; of the three, the Charvaka school, also known as Lokayata, was the most radical, and the fiercest in its criticism of the Vedas and the orthodox Hindu sects. Likewise, the Charvakas and other nastika schools were reviled by the Brahmans and orthodox philosophers as ignorant and misguided. For example, the 9th century orthodox philosopher Vachaspati Mishra in his exposition of Indian systems of thought writes: “…even beasts, with a view of obtaining the beneficial and avoiding the harmful, move towards a field green with soft, fresh grass and leave one full of dried grass and thorns. The Nastika, not knowing what would lead him to his own good or what would lead him into harm, is more beastly than a beast.” [2]

Moving on to the comparison of the Charvaka school of thought with the Epicurean school, one of the major similarities between the two schools was their shared philosophy of materialism. Epicurus argued that the whole universe, including human beings as well as the gods themselves, were composed of nothing but atoms (extremely tiny, indestructible particles) and “void”, or empty space. [3] This view of the universe is elaborated quite lengthily and eloquently by Lucretius (1st century B.C.E.) in his poem De Rerum Natura (“On the Nature of Things”). In this poem, Lucretius argues that the narrative of divine creation is fundamentally illogical, because “nothing can be created from nothing” and anything that is created cannot be reduced to nothing. Thus, the universe in Lucretius’ view is eternal and uncreated, and all natural phenomena can be explained in terms of interactions between matter. The Charvakas also held similar ideas about the composition of the universe and the natural world. The Charvakas believed that the entire universe was composed of four elements – fire, earth, water, and air – and that all phenomena, without exception, were the result of interaction between the elements. Even human consciousness and intelligence, according to the Charvakas, arise only from the natural elements, and intelligence is destroyed when the body is destroyed. [4] This was in contrast to other Indian schools of thought, who maintained that souls could exist separately from the body and carry intelligence with them after death; the Charvakas, on the other hand, rejected the very notion that separate souls could exist, and considered the physical death of a human being to also mark the permanent end of that human’s consciousness.

The Epicureans and the Charvakas both criticized religion and denounced practices that they considered irrational and superstitious, but their exact religious philosophy differed in some ways. Despite being staunch materialists, as described above, the Epicureans did not actually reject the existence of gods. [5] Instead, they believed that the gods were “blessed beings” who lived lives of “perfect pleasure” and did not intervene in the human realm; thus, according to Epicurean philosophy, humans should set aside their fear of “divine punishment” and instead look to the gods as positive role models for living pleasurable, fulfilling lives. The Charvakas, on the other hand, were explicitly atheistic in their philosophy, rejecting not only the concept of gods, but also the concept of svarga (heaven), apavarga (liberation), and reincarnation of the soul (atma), as well as the concept of the caste system (chaturvarna). [6] They were especially critical of the Vedas and of the sacrificial rituals associated with the orthodox sects, sarcastically asking, “If a beast slain in a sacrificial rite will itself go to heaven, then why not offer your own father in a sacrifice?” [7] The Charvakas regarded the Vedas as nothing more than the “incoherent rhapsodies of knaves” that suffer from “untruth, self-contradiction, and tautology”, and denounced the associated Vedic religious rituals as “mere means of livelihood for those [i.e. the Brahman priests] who have neither manliness nor sense.” [9]

Perhaps the single greatest similarity between the Epicurean and Charvaka schools of thought, however, lies in their common philosophy of how to pursue “happiness” in their day-to-day lives. The Epicureans believed that the highest form of good was “pleasure”, defined particularly as the freedom of pain in the body (aponia) and freedom from anxiety and disturbance (ataraxia). [9] According to Epicurus, true happiness comes from taking pleasure in satisfying our basic desires for food, drink, shelter, and clothing, and not from seeking things that are more difficult to obtain (like fancy food, immense wealth, personal fame and honor, etc.), which tend to increase anxiety and are therefore detrimental to one’s happiness. Similarly, the Charvakas believed that the ultimate goal of life should be enjoyment of sensual pleasure and avoidance of pain. [10] Because they believed in neither an afterlife nor the possibility of the soul returning to the world in a new incarnation, the Charvakas emphasized that one should enjoy life to the fullest in the present existence, since the current existence was (in their view) the one and only opportunity for a human being to live. “While life remains,” goes a Charvaka saying, “let a man live happily, let him feed on butter even if he runs into debt. For when the body becomes ash, how can it ever return again?” [11]

Finally, both the Epicureans and the Charvakas shared the similar fate of being relegated into the realm of “fringe thinkers” in their respective civilizations, and of being misrepresented by their opponents for centuries. The Epicureans, in later years, were viewed as “wild, profligate hedonists” who could not control their urges for seeking pleasure. [12] This is a grave distortion of the actual philosophy of Epicurus, which emphasized self-control in seeking pleasures (since the careful choice of pleasures is itself important for maximizing happiness, and over-indulgence can upset ataraxia) and a simple lifestyle free of unnecessary luxuries, as described above. The Charvakas, although somewhat less principled than the Epicureans, similarly came under vicious criticism from orthodox writers in India, and were caricatured as being lowly, uncouth, and licentious. One example of such a depiction comes from the 15th century Indian writer Gunaratna, who in a commentary on a much earlier compendium of Indian philosophies says: “They [the Charvakas] take spirituous drinks and meat and also copulate with those unfit to be sexually approached, like the mother, etc. Every year, on a particular day, they assemble and copulate randomly with women. They do not consider dharma (ethical duty) to be any anything different from kama (sexual pleasure).” [13] Such portrayals were almost certainly stereotypical caricatures that were composed long after the Charvakas had ceased to be an important force in Indian intellectual life, and were clearly meant to demean the Charvakas due to their highly nontraditional and dissenting views.

In conclusion, the Epicurean school in the Greco-Roman world and the Charvaka school of ancient India represented two similar philosophies that arose independently in two very different civilizations. The two schools of thought, though differing in some details (such as the existence or non-existence of gods), can both be described as materialist and rationalist philosophies that challenged the dominant ideologies and beliefs of their respective civilizations. While both eventually faded away into history, the remnants that they left behind are indicative of a rich tradition of skepticism, free thought, and rational inquiry in both ancient India and the ancient Mediterranean world, and support the idea that rationalism is not the monopoly of any one culture or civilization, but is universal and common to humanity as a whole.


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References:

[1] Early South Asia” in David Damrosch, ed., The Longman Anthology of World Literature (Pearson, 2009), 802

[2] Vachaspati Mishra, “Bhamati,” in Debiprasad Chattopadhyaya, ed., Carvaka/Lokayata (New Delhi: Indian Philosophical Society, 1990), 243.

[3] Walter Englert, ed., Lucretius: On the Nature of Things (Newburyport, MA: Focus Pub., 2003), xi.

[4] “The Carvaka System” in Madan Mohan Agrawal, ed., Sarvadarshanasamgraha of Madhavacharya (Delhi: Chaukhamba Sanskrit Pratishthan, 2002), 4.

[5] Englert, On the Nature of Things, xiv.

[6] Agrawal, Sarvadarshanasamgraha, 17.

[7] Ibid, 18.

[8] Ibid, 7-8.

[9] Englert, On the Nature of Things, xv.

[10] Agrawal, Sarvadarshanasamgraha, 5.

[11] Ibid, 19.

[12] Englert, On the Nature of Things, xv.

[13] Gunaratna, “Commentary on Haribhadra,” in Debiprasad Chattopadhyaya, ed., Carvaka/Lokayata, 267.
 
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Epicureanism should, like Stoicism, be understood primarily as a school of moral thought. In that sense, their primary concern was neither religion nor physics. Their concern was mainly how to live a good life, which is why these two schools had the "honor" of being singled out by name in the Bible out of all the different competing strands of thought vis-a-vis Christianity which also preached a strong moral message. Of course, when you start dealing with moral issues on a more fundamental level, you encounter the need to deal with questions of transcendence (i.e. religion) and causality (i.e. physics). Atomism provided a strong foundation for tackling both issues, which the Epicureans simply adopted (and perhaps slightly adapted) for their needs.

Were Epicureans theists or atheists? I would say probably neither in our modern sense of these terms. Religion itself is a disputed concept in the Greco-Roman context. It has been argued that the Greeks lacked even the concept of religion, which would only appear in later Roman times as a result of having to deal with lots of different local beliefs all over the empire. The difference between an epic hero like Odysseus and some lesser Greek deity could seem more like a matter of degree than a matter of kind in the way they were depicted and treated in literature. Likewise, a dead Roman emperor could be deified by a simple vote in the Roman senate and some kings and emperors (e.g. Alexander the Great) could even decide to do that for themselves while still alive.

This fluidity about who could or could not be a "god" says a lot about the vagueness of the distinction itself in the Greco-Roman context. And without a proper distinction between religion and its antithesis (in the form of materialism or proto-science), it's hard formulate what we would identify as atheism. This might explain why someone like Lucretius who adhered to atomism, which destroys any foundation for supernatural agency, did not see any contradiction in praising Greco-Roman deities in the same breath as he outlined atomism. He wasn't looking to prove or disprove gods, he was simply looking to explain man's role and place in the world. If gods somehow could fit into this atomistic framework, fine, if not, no big deal as they were not all that important to begin with :)
 
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Nice essay. I came across Lokayata when studying Epicurus and Epicureanism and it is what led me to become fascinated with Indian philosophy. In the Western world we focus on the Greeks and Romans, and later Germans and Englishmen, but Indian philosophy is compelling.

Lokayata is a wonderful school of philosophy. I find it fascinating the sorts of complex ideas that were coming out of India at such an early time. Lokayata seems a couple millennia before its time with how many of their philosophies are embraced today. As a skeptical, materialistic, atheistic hedonist myself, I found Epicureanism a little too concerned with virtue, but Lokayata quite agreeable. I just wish these philosophies were easier to study. Not as much material preserved, not as much related discourse as more mainstream philosophical schools and systems.
 
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What is rationalism?

In the sense that I used it in my essay, it refers to the idea that reason and experience, rather than religious beliefs, emotions, or tradition, should form the basis of one's opinions and actions in life.


Nice essay. I came across Lokayata when studying Epicurus and Epicureanism and it is what led me to become fascinated with Indian philosophy. In the Western world we focus on the Greeks and Romans, and later Germans and Englishmen, but Indian philosophy is compelling.

Lokayata is a wonderful school of philosophy. I find it fascinating the sorts of complex ideas that were coming out of India at such an early time. Lokayata seems a couple millennia before its time with how many of their philosophies are embraced today. As a skeptical, materialistic, atheistic hedonist myself, I found Epicureanism a little too concerned with virtue, but Lokayata quite agreeable. I just wish these philosophies were easier to study. Not as much material preserved, not as much related discourse as more mainstream philosophical schools and systems.

Thank you for reading and commenting. Part of my motivation in writing this essay was to debunk the Orientalist stereotype of India being a sort of mystical land steeped in passionate religion, spirituality, and extremely complex metaphysics - the land of a billion people and a trillion gods, as it were. This is a stereotype that many Indians themselves have embraced. While it is true that India was the birthplace of many different religious and spiritual traditions, it was also the birthplace of the world's first explicitly atheistic and materialistic philosophy. This is often overlooked by modern Indian traditionalists and social conservatives who denounce materialism and atheism as symptoms of "Western decadence", while limiting "Indian culture" to essentially theistic devotion, conformance to social and gender roles, and observance of traditional religious and social rites and customs.

As for the lack of source material on the Charvaka/Lokayata school, it is indeed quite disappointing and frustrating. Most references to their philosophy consist of snide remarks, insults, and stereotypical caricatures by the orthodox elements of Indian society, a few of which I have quoted in my essay. Not a single original Charvaka work survives, which is extremely unfortunate and suggests that their opponents (which were many) may have systematically suppressed their teachings. There is only one work that attempts an exposition of Charvaka thought in a fairly unbiased and thorough manner, and that is the Sarvadarshanasamgraha of Madhavacharya, a 14th century statesman-philosopher of the early Vijayanagara empire. It is that work which I used in my essay to describe the essentials of Charvaka philosophy.
 
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Thank you for reading and commenting. Part of my motivation in writing this essay was to debunk the Orientalist stereotype of India being a sort of mystical land steeped in passionate religion, spirituality, and extremely complex metaphysics - the land of a billion people and a trillion gods, as it were. This is a stereotype that many Indians themselves have embraced. While it is true that India was the birthplace of many different religious and spiritual traditions, it was also the birthplace of the world's first explicitly atheistic and materialistic philosophy. This is often overlooked by modern Indian traditionalists and social conservatives who denounce materialism and atheism as symptoms of "Western decadence", while limiting "Indian culture" to essentially theistic devotion, conformance to social and gender roles, and observance of traditional religious and social rites and customs.

As for the lack of source material on the Charvaka/Lokayata school, it is indeed quite disappointing and frustrating. Most references to their philosophy consist of snide remarks, insults, and stereotypical caricatures by the orthodox elements of Indian society, a few of which I have quoted in my essay. Not a single original Charvaka work survives, which is extremely unfortunate and suggests that their opponents (which were many) may have systematically suppressed their teachings. There is only one work that attempts an exposition of Charvaka thought in a fairly unbiased and thorough manner, and that is the Sarvadarshanasamgraha of Madhavacharya, a 14th century statesman-philosopher of the early Vijayanagara empire. It is that work which I used in my essay to describe the essentials of Charvaka philosophy.
That's a very interesting point and observation. It is ironic that a place where the first documented atheistic philosophies arose became highly traditionalist and theistic. Not unexpected though really; these sorts of philosophies (Epicureanism, and especially Lokayata) were certainly not congruous with most popular thought two thousand years ago.

Yes, I quickly found when looking for further reading on Carvaka/Lokayata that the only original sources were from critics. I'll have to look into that source, looks interesting.
 
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and support the idea that rationalism is not the monopoly of any one culture or civilization, but is universal and common to humanity as a whole.

I usually ignore such contradictions in most posts but since this is purported to be an essay about philosophy I can't help but point out this glaring contradiction.


Epicureanism is a completely irrational philosophy.


In other words the only reason there is some superficial semblance between Epicureanism and Charvaka is their inherent irrationality.
 
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I usually ignore such contradictions in most posts but since this is purported to be an essay about philosophy I can't help but point out this glaring contradiction.


Epicureanism is a completely irrational philosophy.


In other words the only reason there is some superficial semblance between Epicureanism and Charvaka is their inherent irrationality.

Can you please elaborate on this "contradiction" in the context of the definition of "rationalism" I have provided?

In what way is Epicureanism "completely irrational"?
 
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Absence of pain.

Please get to the point and explain how Epicureanism is "completely irrational", according to the definition of "rational" that I provided.

Actually, the absence of pain is the normal state, pleasure is as simple as meeting the basic physical needs, and as complex as enjoying a work of art or music. In other words, pleasure is a purely sensory feedback.

Could we make sense of reality with our senses only? In a limited way, yes, but that is empiricism.



Rationalism is embedded in the two paragraphs above. In other words, when you use a rational inquiry into the nature of pleasure, the conclusion is inconclusive; therefore, one cannot place pleasure at the center of a philosophy that proclaims itself to be rational.
 
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Actually, the absence of pain is the normal state, pleasure is as simple as meeting the basic physical needs, and as complex as enjoying a work of art or music. In other words, pleasure is a purely sensory feedback.

Could we make sense of reality with our senses only? In a limited way, yes, but that is empiricism.



Rationalism is embedded in the two paragraphs above. In other words, when you use a rational inquiry into the nature of pleasure, the conclusion is inconclusive; therefore, one cannot place pleasure at the center of a philosophy that proclaims itself to be rational.


No, "pleasure" as a goal of life in Epicureanism is defined specifically and does not simply refer to sensory feedback. Pleasure in Epicurean thought is specifically aponia (absence of pain) and ataraxia (absence of disturbance or worry/fear). A pleasurable life, according to Epicureanism, is one in which these two states are continuously maintained. Epicureans are in fact strongly opposed to indiscriminately seeking sensual gratification. They view such a lifestyle as laying the groundwork for disturbance and suffering later on in life, and as such advocated moderation in things like food and .... In the Epicurean view, a modest, temperate life is intrinsically far more pleasurable than a life of profligate hedonism.

When I used the term "rationalist" in my essay, it was not meant in the traditional epistemological sense of acquiring knowledge through ratio and intellect, but in the sense that I provided in Post #6. This definition of "rationalism" is taken straight from Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary. The term "rational" was specifically meant in reference to the physical view of the universe propounded by the Epicureans (specifically by Lucretius in De rerum natura), which was materialist and atomist, as well as quite anti-traditional and anti-religious.

You have failed to explain how Epicureanism is "irrational" in the context of the specific definition that I provided.
 
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No, "pleasure" as a goal of life in Epicureanism is defined specifically and does not simply refer to sensory feedback. Pleasure in Epicurean thought is specifically aponia (absence of pain) and ataraxia (absence of disturbance or worry/fear). A pleasurable life, according to Epicureanism, is one in which these two states are continuously maintained. Epicureans are in fact strongly opposed to indiscriminately seeking sensual gratification. They view such a lifestyle as laying the groundwork for disturbance and suffering later on in life, and as such advocated moderation in things like food and .... In the Epicurean view, a modest, temperate life is intrinsically far more pleasurable than a life of profligate hedonism.

When I used the term "rationalist" in my essay, it was not meant in the traditional epistemological sense of acquiring knowledge through ratio and intellect, but in the sense that I provided in Post #6. This definition of "rationalism" is taken straight from Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary. The term "rational" was specifically meant in reference to the physical view of the universe propounded by the Epicureans (specifically by Lucretius in De rerum natura), which was materialist and atomist, as well as quite anti-traditional and anti-religious.

You have failed to explain how Epicureanism is "irrational" in the context of the specific definition that I provided.

Rationality is not subject to interpenetration, if your interpretation of rational is not really rational then you must modify your argument and perhaps focus on the similarity of Epicureanism and ancient Indian philosophies rather than trying a revisionist approach of saying that rationality was as important in ancient India as in the ancient Greece.

How Epicureans define pleasure is incorrect, for instance you simply replace the word pleasure with God and then you have all the religions - to be one with God is supposed to be a state of no pain and pleasure -- or you could call it nirvana etc.

There is no such a thing as a state without pain and pleasure, there a bit of pleasure or pain or both at any state.
 
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Rationality is not subject to interpenetration, if your interpretation of rational is not really rational then you must modify your argument and perhaps focus on the similarity of Epicureanism and ancient Indian philosophies rather than trying a revisionist approach of saying that rationality was as important in ancient India as in the ancient Greece.

How Epicureans define pleasure is incorrect, for instance you simply replace the word pleasure with God and then you have all the religions - to be one with God is supposed to be a state of no pain and pleasure -- or you could call it nirvana etc.

There is no such a thing as a state without pain and pleasure, there a bit of pleasure or pain or both at any state.

There are multiple possible meanings of "rationalism". I specified the meaning I meant in Post #6; this definition comes straight from Merriam-Webster and Encyclopedia Britannica. I put more importance in what they say than what you say. However, even in the definition of rationalism as an epistemological viewpoint emphasizing ratio, there were indeed multiple Indian schools who argued that the senses were subjective and should not be relied on as the sole or primary means of knowledge (though Charvaka was not one of those schools). For example, in certain Buddhist schools as well as in Advaita Vedanta the perceptual world is regarded as illusory, and as such cannot be understood with the mere senses. Also, I never said that, "rationality was as important in ancient India as in the ancient Greece" (though it probably was), but that rationality (as defined from Merriam-Webster) is not the monopoly of any one civilization or culture. You should read what people actually write.

It is perfectly possible to be in a state of aponia and ataraxia. I myself am currently in a state of aponia, but not ataraxia. The Epicureans argued that the only way to achieve and continuously maintain these states was to detach oneself from the pell-mell and rigour of everyday life and enjoy the simple things in life (which is why, for example, Epicureans argued against participation in politics and personal ambition). If you want to call such a lifestyle as "God" then go ahead, it doesn't make the Epicureans' definition any less valid. The Epicureans themselves believed that the gods lived such laid-back lifestyles, and that humans should imitate godly lives rather than worrying about pleasing the gods for fear of divine wrath/intervention.
 

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