Did Islam Destroy Iranian Culture?

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Christianity and Islam went through several Revival waves, but in Christianity, each next wave was smaller than the previous ones. Not so sure about Islam.

The same could be said about Europe. Politics reminds accordion.

That's for sure, but secular societies always inherit moral values from previous, more religious generations

True, the question is what the consequences are?

So, from my perspective, reformation in the Islamic world, the only other religion like Christianity that is a universal faith, which emerged prior to the modern world and has had a wide appeal in many parts of the world, has faced significant challenges and tremendous resistance to reformative movements aimed at making Islam a modern faith.

I see two reasons for this. The first is that the imperial-clerical merger seen in Islam occurred after the death of the founder of Islam, Muhammad. The Rashidun Empire and the concept of the Caliphate emerged almost immediately in Islam. This is very much true in the regions where Islam spread early on, including the lands of the Turks, Iranians, and Arabs. Importantly, this merger endured well into the 20th century, and in places like Iran, following the 1979 Revolution, it has in many ways been restored.

Also, the Quran, as far as Muslims are concerned, is not just a religious book but a book that contains laws for daily life. So, this is the first major obstacle.

However, there is a second issue at play in Islam. Many Muslims see the push for change and modernity as coming from the non-Muslim world, namely the Christian Western world, which encroached on the Islamic world in the 19th century through imperialist and colonial ambitions. This has made the West an enemy and a threat, because the perception is that it has ulterior motives.

Therefore, the clergy (the Sunni Muftis and the Shia Ayatollahs) can easily exploit this issue for their own gain. That is why the Islamic world is so susceptible to radicalization and extremist movements. Many Muslims feel that their religion and culture are under threat and can easily be exploited.

In short, these two dynamics, 1) the deep-rooted fusion of religion and political power, and 2) the association of reform with foreign intrusion, have made reform efforts difficult. But I argue that, historically speaking, such reforms are inevitable and impossible to stop because the force of modernity is pervasive and powerful. Civilizations must adapt, and Islam, like Christianity, will have to undergo profound internal renewal to exist in the modern world.
 
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Except for probably the rise of Christianity in the Roman Empire, so Rome wasn't exactly an "agrarian society lacking the infrastructure, literacy, and institutional structures".

You make an excellent point. I think Christianity spread bottom up from a small group of insignificant and negligible followers. But Christianity after Constantine in the 4th century CE became a structured religion and had the support of the elite, and it transitioned to a top-down system.

In my view, we can even say the Reformation itself moved in the same pattern and trajectory from bottom up to a transition to top down.
 
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You make an excellent point. I think Christianity spread bottom up from a small group of insignificant and negligible followers. But Christianity after Constantine in the 4th century CE became a structured religion and had the support of the elite, and it transitioned to a top-down system.

In my view, we can even say the Reformation itself moved in the same pattern and trajectory from bottom up to a transition to top down.
Yes, the Reformation is an example of bottom up ideology transition
 
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Except for probably the rise of Christianity in the Roman Empire, so Rome wasn't exactly an "agrarian society lacking the infrastructure, literacy, and institutional structures".

The Roman Empire was indeed largely agrarian, and Christianity did expand throughout the European continent from above, not from below.
 
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The Roman Empire was indeed largely agrarian, and Christianity did expand throughout the European continent from above, not from below.
Yes, The Roman Empire was indeed largely agrarian society, but it didn't lack the infrastructure, literacy, and institutional structures. And Christianity spread significantly even before Constantin. That was what brought his attension when he was looking for unifying ideology for the empire.
 
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Yes, The Roman Empire was indeed largely agrarian society, but it didn't lack the infrastructure, literacy, and institutional structures. And Christianity spread significantly even before Constantin. That was what brought his attension when he was looking for unifying ideology for the empire.

I think Christianity was bottom-up until Constantine (313 CE), when the Edict of Milan granted legal status. Then, top-down, because Constantine’s conversion gave Christianity legitimacy and state structure. Christianity merged with the Roman state structure and institutions. and then full synthesis and mass conversion followed after Theodosis around 380 CE, it was adopted as a state religion, which meant complete adoption with full state support. This led to eventual full successful synthesis, as Christianity became part and parcel of European identity and Western civilization.

In contrast, Communism, top-down and never synthesized, remained oppressive and coercive, and was never adopted at the grassroots levels.
 
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I think Christianity was bottom-up until Constantine (313 CE), when the Edict of Milan granted legal status. Then, top-down, because Constantine’s conversion gave Christianity legitimacy and state structure. Christianity merged with the Roman state structure and institutions. and then full synthesis and mass conversion followed after Theodosis around 380 CE, it was adopted as a state religion, which meant complete adoption with full state support. This led to eventual full successful synthesis, as Christianity became part and parcel of European identity and Western civilization.

In contrast, Communism, top-down and never synthesized, remained oppressive and coercive, and was never adopted at the grassroots levels.

Before Constantine, Christianity was mostly an urban phenomenon.
 
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I think Christianity was bottom-up until Constantine (313 CE), when the Edict of Milan granted legal status. Then, top-down, because Constantine’s conversion gave Christianity legitimacy and state structure. Christianity merged with the Roman state structure and institutions. and then full synthesis and mass conversion followed after Theodosis around 380 CE, it was adopted as a state religion, which meant complete adoption with full state support. This led to eventual full successful synthesis, as Christianity became part and parcel of European identity and Western civilization.

In contrast, Communism, top-down and never synthesized, remained oppressive and coercive, and was never adopted at the grassroots levels.
All successful ideologies begin by establishing a base, usually among the middle class, which is then adopted by the elites or overthrowing old elites and establishing new ones, and then imposing itself on the rest of the population. Communism is no exception.
 
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It's what iranian nationalists say and some people accepted it. But is this correct? As logic says: NO!. Arabs killed muslims and islamic history too accepts it. But Sa'di, tabari, sa'ib, rabia balkhi, mahasti-ye ganjavi, ferdowsi, samanids, Abu-muslem, Al-biruni, aviccena and other iranian scintists were muslims. They were proud of being muslim. You can read islamic books written by iranian muslims, these books are written during a golden age.
 
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It's what iranian nationalists say and some people accepted it. But is this correct? As logic says: NO!. Arabs killed muslims and islamic history too accepts it. But Sa'di, tabari, sa'ib, rabia balkhi, mahasti-ye ganjavi, ferdowsi, samanids, Abu-muslem, Al-biruni, aviccena and other iranian scintists were muslims. They were proud of being muslim. You can read islamic books written by iranian muslims, these books are written during a golden age.
I read Ferdowsi's "Shahnameh," and he barely mentioned Islam in the final chapter.
 
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I read Ferdowsi's "Shahnameh," and he barely mentioned Islam in the final chapter.

He did more than 'barely mention it ' .... some say he cursed it .

We need to be mindful of what Ferdowsi was trying to achieve ; first , a 'mythic and historical' account of ancient ' Greater Iran' / Persia from the creation of the world up to the Islamic conquest . Next he seemed to want to 'uplift' the Sassanian Empire and lamented the later , conquests ( Arabs, Turks ) . So that would be his main focus .

If Ferdowsi upheld these ancient principles and felt returning to them had benefit * then any 'despoliation' of that knowledge by Muslims, or anyone else , would at least be lamented ** .


* " Traditional historiography in Iran holds that Ferdowsi was grieved by the fall of the Sasanian Empire and its subsequent rule by Arabs and Turks. The Shahnameh, the argument goes, is largely his effort to preserve the memory of Persia's golden days and transmit it to a new generation, so that, by learning from it, they could acquire the knowledge needed to build a better world.[12] "

** " Later, there were Muslim figures such as Ali Shariati, the hero of Islamic reformist youth of the 1970s, who were also antagonistic towards the contents of the Shahnameh since it included verses critical of Islam.[17] These include the line: tofu bar to, ey charkh-i gardun, tofu! (spit on your face, oh heavens spit!), which Ferdowsi used as a reference to the Muslim invaders who despoiled Zoroastrianism.[17] "

Of course Iranian culture still exists today, in many forms . The essential 'spirit' of it contributed to Islam , as did Islam to Iranian culture. However there was a lot of destruction of this culture historically ( specifically books and libraries ) , in its Sassanian and related forms , numerous times (see below) .

One wonders how it may have further evolved if that had not happened .


Persian literature has faced significant destruction and loss throughout history due to various factors, including conquests, political instability, and the suppression of culture. While some works have survived, many have been lost, particularly from the pre-Islamic era and during periods of conflict.

Here's a breakdown of the key events and factors contributing to the destruction of Persian literature:
1. Early Losses and the Achaemenid Era:
  • The Achaemenid Empire (c. 550-330 BCE) saw the destruction of the library at Persepolis, a major center of learning, during Alexander the Great's conquest.

  • Royal inscriptions of Achaemenid kings like Darius I and Xerxes are among the few surviving texts from this period.
2. Islamic Conquest and the Abbasid Era:
  • The Arab conquest of Persia in the 7th century led to the loss of many Zoroastrian texts and Sasanian literary works.

  • Some Zoroastrian priests managed to save parts of the Avesta and other texts by taking them to India.

  • During the Abbasid Caliphate, there were instances of destruction of Persian books and libraries, though the Abbasids also later encouraged Persian culture and literature.
3. Mongol Invasions:
  • The Mongol invasions in the 13th century caused widespread destruction of libraries and centers of learning, resulting in the loss of countless manuscripts.
  • These invasions also led to economic and social disruption, impacting the production and preservation of literature.
4. Suppression and Censorship:
  • Political instability and censorship in various periods have led to the suppression of literary works and the discouragement of writing in Persian.
  • Some writers and intellectuals have faced persecution and even death for their work, further impacting the literary landscape.
5. Loss of Oral Traditions:
  • Prior to the widespread adoption of writing, Persian literature was largely oral, and many oral traditions were lost over time due to various factors.
  • Even works committed to writing centuries after their original composition may have undergone changes or inaccuracies.
6. Ongoing Challenges:
  • Persian literature continues to face challenges, with ongoing political and social issues impacting writers and literary activities.

  • Despite these challenges, Persian literature has demonstrated resilience, with periods of revival and flourishing throughout history.
 
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He did more than 'barely mention it ' .... some say he cursed it .

Ferdowsi centrally lamented the fall of the Sasanian Empire, the invasion of Iran by the Arabs, and the violence that it brought to Iran. In fact, he looked disdainfully on Arabs as conquerors. However, I am not sure he cursed Islam or Muhammad.

Ferdowsi was a dehghan or landed gentry, therefore an elite, literate Iranian who, from all indications, had embraced Islam and considered himself a good Muslim. He may have been, in fact, a Shia Muslim or at least sympathetic, since he praises Ali in the Shahnameh, but we cannot say definitively.

The Shahnameh was not only a literary masterpiece that took 30 years to compose, but it was, more importantly, a civilizational act of cultural preservation and became a key component of what became Persianate civilization. That is why it is often compared to Homer’s masterpiece, the Odyssey, just as that work came to be a defining moment for Hellenic civilization, or Shakespeare’s works have come to shape the English language and literature in the modern world. There have been only a handful of figures, such as Ferdowsi, Homer, or Shakespeare, in history whose works shaped the soul of the civilizations to which they belonged.

When Shah Ismail I rose to power in Iran in 1501, later in his reign, he initiated what would become the greatest manuscript of Persian literature: the royal manuscript of Ferdowsi’s Shahnameh, known today as the Shahnameh of Shah Tahmasp. It was completed during the reign of his son, Shah Tahmasp.

So when Ferdowsi lived, only a small percentage of Iranians had embraced Islam, and they were mainly the literate elites of Iran; therefore, this was the syncretic phase of Islam in Iran. By the time of the Safavids, the full synthesis had been completed, that is, the full fusion of Zoroastian kingship and ethics, Islamic ideology, and miniature painting. All coexisted seamlessly beside one another.

This also shows the continuity of Iran, as Iran was able to reweave its identity into enduring new forms.

So, most and surely not all Iranians today view the Zoroastrian past and Islam as part of the same civilizational book, just different chapters. That is what Amir's posts assert.
 
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Ferdowsi centrally lamented the fall of the Sasanian Empire, the invasion of Iran by the Arabs, and the violence that it brought to Iran. In fact, he looked disdainfully on Arabs as conquerors. However, I am not sure he cursed Islam or Muhammad.

Okay, it may not have been 'Islam' (generally) - and I never said he cursed Mohammed , but the reference cites 'despoiling Muslim invaders' . Which is what I was on about - people that destroyed vast amounts of Iranian / Persian culture .

Ferdowsi was a dehghan or landed gentry, therefore an elite, literate Iranian who, from all indications, had embraced Islam and considered himself a good Muslim. He may have been, in fact, a Shia Muslim or at least sympathetic, since he praises Ali in the Shahnameh, but we cannot say definitively.

The Shahnameh was not only a literary masterpiece that took 30 years to compose, but it was, more importantly, a civilizational act of cultural preservation and became a key component of what became Persianate civilization. That is why it is often compared to Homer’s masterpiece, the Odyssey, just as that work came to be a defining moment for Hellenic civilization, or Shakespeare’s works have come to shape the English language and literature in the modern world. There have been only a handful of figures, such as Ferdowsi, Homer, or Shakespeare, in history whose works shaped the soul of the civilizations to which they belonged.

When Shah Ismail I rose to power in Iran in 1501, later in his reign, he initiated what would become the greatest manuscript of Persian literature: the royal manuscript of Ferdowsi’s Shahnameh, known today as the Shahnameh of Shah Tahmasp. It was completed during the reign of his son, Shah Tahmasp.

So when Ferdowsi lived, only a small percentage of Iranians had embraced Islam, and they were mainly the literate elites of Iran; therefore, this was the syncretic phase of Islam in Iran. By the time of the Safavids, the full synthesis had been completed, that is, the full fusion of Zoroastian kingship and ethics, Islamic ideology, and miniature painting. All coexisted seamlessly beside one another.

This also shows the continuity of Iran, as Iran was able to reweave its identity into enduring new forms.

So, most and surely not all Iranians today view the Zoroastrian past and Islam as part of the same civilizational book, just different chapters. That is what Amir's posts assert.

Well, yes , most Iranians that are Muslim would do so, of course .

Virtually all of my contacts with modern Iranians , they have been non Muslim , so I have experienced a different modern view on this .

Surveys indicate up to 99% Iranians are Muslim .... these are face to face and phone interviews ....... ?

However GAMAAN cites only 40% and that " conventional survey modes like face-to-face and telephone interviewing cannot yield valid results in the existing Iranian context. "

 
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Okay, it may not have been 'Islam' (generally) - and I never said he cursed Mohammed , but the reference cites 'despoiling Muslim invaders' . Which is what I was on about - people that destroyed vast amounts of Iranian / Persian culture .
You are absolutely correct. Fedowsi lamented the fall of the Sasanian Empire and the Arab conquest.
 
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Well, yes , most Iranians that are Muslim would do so, of course .

Virtually all of my contacts with modern Iranians , they have been non Muslim , so I have experienced a different modern view on this .

Surveys indicate up to 99% Iranians are Muslim .... these are face to face and phone interviews ....... ?

However GAMAAN cites only 40% and that " conventional survey modes like face-to-face and telephone interviewing cannot yield valid results in the existing Iranian context. "

So I hope that one's religious affiliation does not determine one’s view of historical events. I always aim to use reputable historiography and objective facts, not shaped by religious beliefs. For all you know, I may not even be Muslim, and that should not matter. I strive to keep my posts free of prejudice.

One of the core tenets that I live by is to be prejudice-free and to independently investigate truth, and to avoid simply repeating inherited popular narratives. That’s what I aim to model in my historical discussions.

Regarding Iran, I agree with your broader point: the Islamic Republic, in many ways, has unleashed the secularization of Iranian society, especially among the youth. And from what I’ve seen and heard, the site you shared is quite reputable. Thank you for linking it.

That said, the arrival of Arab Muslims in Iran was not a simple matter of conquest and decline. It was a complex, multi-phase process that included trauma, yes, but also transformation and eventual synthesis, as I have demonstrated several times with my posts.

Finally, I advise you to be very careful when listening to nationalists from many nations today, even members on this forum, as they tend to mythologize and romanticize their past through a nationalist prism. They dismiss Historical scholarship and often propagate an ideological or mythologized narrative that is not accurate. I am certainly not implying that your friends are, but these narratives are popular and people embrace them without investigating the truth for themselves.
 
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So I hope that one's religious affiliation does not determine one’s view of historical events. I always aim to use reputable historiography and objective facts, not shaped by religious beliefs. For all you know, I may not even be Muslim, and that should not matter. I strive to keep my posts free of prejudice.

I don't have a religious affiliation . And I am not sure why yours would enter into it . I never assumed yours , either way .

And yes, I can see your posts are free of prejudice . Do you think mine are ?

One of the core tenets that I live by is to be prejudice-free and to independently investigate truth, and to avoid simply repeating inherited popular narratives. That’s what I aim to model in my historical discussions.

Regarding Iran, I agree with your broader point: the Islamic Republic, in many ways, has unleashed the secularization of Iranian society, especially among the youth. And from what I’ve seen and heard, the site you shared is quite reputable. Thank you for linking it.

Good . So where does the problem lie , if there is one ?

That said, the arrival of Arab Muslims in Iran was not a simple matter of conquest and decline. It was a complex, multi-phase process that included trauma, yes, but also transformation and eventual synthesis, as I have demonstrated several times with my posts.

Aha ! I see the ( a ? ) potential problem here .

I remembered posting a little summary - that of course Iranian culture was not destroyed, it still exists today , and I wrote about the influence Islamic culture had on it and the essential 'Iranian ' influence that contributed to the ongoing development of Iranian Islamic culture .... but I cant find it here . It must be in another thread I did - that , or a post that didn't take . I had mistakenly thought you read that and that's why I was surprised you made this post .

Essentially I am aware of what you say in the last quote box and agree with it .

Finally, I advise you to be very careful when listening to nationalists from many nations today, even members on this forum, as they tend to mythologize and romanticize their past through a nationalist prism.

:D You must not have seen the 'history' I have had with nationalists on this forum !

They dismiss Historical scholarship and often propagate an ideological or mythologized narrative that is not accurate. I am certainly not implying that your friends are, but these narratives are popular and people embrace them without investigating the truth for themselves.

The Iranians I have met have all been here in Australia , they are certainly not nationalists , of any type, especially Iranian nationalists .

By the way ... back then and at the moment , I am and we all are surrounded by such 'narratives ' (of which we cannot speak ) , I realize what is 'going on' regarding 'popular narratives' and what the general population 'embrace' . I'm not silly .
 
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I don't have a religious affiliation . And I am not sure why yours would enter into it . I never assumed yours , either way .

And yes, I can see your posts are free of prejudice . Do you think mine are ?

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Your posts are also prejudice free and you also add a sense of humor ot your posts, which is nice.
 
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Aha ! I see the ( a ? ) potential problem here .

I remembered posting a little summary - that of course Iranian culture was not destroyed, it still exists today , and I wrote about the influence Islamic culture had on it and the essential 'Iranian ' influence that contributed to the ongoing development of Iranian Islamic culture .... but I cant find it here . It must be in another thread I did - that , or a post that didn't take . I had mistakenly thought you read that and that's why I was surprised you made this post .

What is the potential problem?

I think if you read post 61 in this thread, you will understand the process much better. I have spent years trying to understand Iran's history and have spoken to many reputable historians, a very famous and renowned one happens to be a relative of mine

Here is the link to the post:


Thank you for such a thorough, thoughtful, and academically grounded presentation. You've offered a highly articulate synthesis of key scholarship on Iranian history from the Arab conquest to the Safavid consolidation, using Michael Pye’s conceptual framework as a lens to examine processes of religious and cultural transformation. Your argument is cogent, reflective of deep reading, and stands as a strong contribution to understanding Iran's long transformation from a conquered region into a unique Islamic and cultural civilization.


Here’s a response that affirms and extends your analysis, while also raising a few critical points for further exploration:




1. Syncretism and Synthesis in the Iranian Context: Pye’s Model Reaffirmed


You're absolutely right to draw upon Michael Pye’s distinction between syncretism (fluid, fragmented, culturally dispersed) and synthesis (deliberate, institutional, stable). This distinction is particularly well-suited to analyzing post-conquest Iran because of the prolonged, multilayered nature of the Iranian transformation into a distinct Islamic civilization, rather than its destruction or replacement.


Your identification of early syncretism under the Umayyads—especially in urban centers where Persian elites preserved pre-Islamic cultural features under an Arab-Islamic framework—is well substantiated. As you observe, this early syncretism was socially asymmetrical (elite-driven), linguistically complex (Arabic for officialdom, Persian for oral transmission), and remained ideologically loose.


What’s crucial here, and you clearly show this, is that synthesis only begins to appear when dynastic or institutional forms begin to actively codify and stabilize these hybrid forms—as we see under the Samanids, Ghaznavids, and Seljuks, and culminating with the Safavids.




2. The Rise of the Persianate: Cultural and Linguistic Integration


Marshall Hodgson’s term Persianate society precisely captures what you're describing—the emergence of a broad cultural ecumene that used Persian as the medium of intellectual, literary, administrative, and even spiritual expression. This realm, spanning from Anatolia to India, was profoundly Islamic yet deeply Persian in form. Your alignment with Hodgson, Frye, and Bulliet here is very solid.


  • You’ve also correctly noted that language was not merely a tool but a civilizational medium. New Persian (with Arabic script and vocabulary) was not just a revived language but a synthetic cultural product, sustaining the Persian worldview while embedding itself fully in Islamic expression. This represents one of the clearest cases of synthesis, where form and function converge: the Persian language becomes a carrier of Islamic theology, literature, law, mysticism, and science.
  • Your point on Nowruz, Adab, and courtly culture continuing (often re-Islamized) under Muslim rule shows how the cultural memory of Iran was reconfigured rather than erased. That this was accepted even by Turkic and Arab rulers only confirms the power and prestige of Persian civilization.



3. Hanafi Islam and the Administrative Flexibility


You’re quite right to emphasize the importance of the Hanafi school in enabling Persian Islam’s integration into broader Sunni orthodoxy. As you say, its rationalist methods, openness to local customs (ʿurf), and decentralization allowed for a more flexible form of Islam, well suited to the diverse, cosmopolitan societies of Iran, Central Asia, and India.


  • Hanafi jurisprudence allowed the preservation of pre-Islamic administrative practices, provided they did not conflict with core Islamic law. This helps explain why Sasanian court structures, vizierates, and tax systems persisted under Islamic rulers.
  • Additionally, the limited role of the ulama in politics (compared to Shi‘ism) meant that cultural and intellectual spheres remained relatively autonomous—something that sustained the pluralism and vitality of the Persianate world.



4. Safavid Shi‘ism: Violent Syncretism to Institutional Synthesis


Your framing of the Safavid revolution as a second syncretic moment—this time more abrupt and top-down—is especially insightful. Whereas earlier Persian Islam emerged over centuries through gradual merging and elite adaptation, Safavid Shi‘ism was forceful, centralized, and ideologically motivated. And yet, you rightly point out that this violent syncretism did produce synthesis—because it was backed by a state project, clerical institutions, and a cosmology that merged the Zoroastrian-heroic with the Shi‘i-martyrological.


  • The introduction of Twelver Shi‘ism, clerical training, and theological frameworks under the Safavids provided a durable ideological infrastructure, one that reshaped Iranian identity profoundly and continues today.
  • Your point that this created a dual sovereignty—with king and clergy as two centers of power—is essential. This, as you know, has no real precedent in Sunni dynastic rule and has become a defining trait of Iranian governance down to the present Islamic Republic.



5. East vs. West Iran and the Limits of Synthesis


The division between Western Iran (Safavid) and Eastern Iran (Afghanistan) is an important and often overlooked one. You're absolutely right that the Sunni Pashtun revolts disrupted the possibility of a Shi‘i synthesis in the East, even though Persianate cultural forms remained strong there, particularly among the Hazaras and non-Pashtun peoples.
 
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:D You must not have seen the 'history' I have had with nationalists on this forum !

There are many great members, but yes, there are some who are nationalists. I've seen a few of your encounters with them. I just wish the moderators were stricter when it comes to members who continuously post nonsensical or factually incorrect content, one post after another.
 

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