Female warriors in ancient times

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Eg. Youtab Aryobarzan was a Persian Archaeminid noblewoman, warrior and sister of Persian hero General Ariobazanes and commander of part of the army. She stood with her brother and outnumbered Persian forces leading a last stand at the Persian Gates near Persepolis 330bc against the Hellenic League. She successfully ambushed Alexander, inflicting casualties and delaying them a month .
Sounds like just my kind of heroic woman. Yes I have this thing for butch ......:zany:

Wonder why this Youtab was not mentioned at all in that Memnon (Memnon of Rhodes) histfict book by Scott Oden, which focused on the Persian struggle against Alexander revolving around Memnon.

He did mention the involvement of Aryobarzanes though. He was quite a key figure in it IIRC.
 
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If we want to go back to Ancient Egypt, during the war against the Hyksos the sudden death of Kamose forced Ahhotep [we add "I"] to rule as a Monarch.

A stela [mentioned by Dodson in "The Complete Royal Families of Ancient Egypt"] tells us that she took care of the soldiers, reunifying Egypt, defeating the rebels and allowing the return of the refugees.

So that we can add Ahhotep to the list of the potential female warriors of the past.

Yes I read about this Ahhotep in the histfict novel War of the Crowns by Christian Jacq. She must have been quite a remarkable woman for her time.



Her funerary assemblage included a number of special military-related things as well, unusual for a queen. She had ceremonial battle axes and what are interpreted as military decorations which had been awarded to her, 3 golden flies of valor. Once her husband had been killed, I imagine she was forced to assert power until her son got old enough to take over. She must have been a strong woman in a difficult, pivotal time for Egypt.
 
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Once her husband had been killed, I imagine she was forced to assert power until her son got old enough to take over. She must have been a strong woman in a difficult, pivotal time for Egypt.
Yes she kind of took over the mantle of leadership for her family & they retreated upriver in the face of the Hyksos onslaught on & conquest of the Delta region.

Her first son Kamose was like rapidly growing into the next kingship role until he fell in battle. So it was left to Ahhhotep alone to protect & raise second son Ahmose until adulthood.
 
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Etain the Brigante. As a child she had witnessed her mother ..... then killed with her father, by the Romans. She went to seek refuge further north. In Caledonia, where the Picts were fighting a defensive guerilla war against the Romans.

Led by warriors Vortix & Aeron, the Picts had attacked & basically massacred a full Roman garrison at the Roman outpost of Pinnata Castra, at the southern border of the Scottish Highlands. But they took second-in-command Quintus Dias prisoner because he could speak Pictish, and took him to Gorlacon the Pictish king. But he somehow escaped after a brutal interrogation.

Gnaeus Julius Agricola the governor of Roman Britannia sent General Titus Flavius Virilus to lead the 9th Legion on a punitive cum search & rescue expedition to get Dias back, providing Virilus with a captured Brigantian lass as a scout to guide the way. Big mistake. She was none other than the .... with the big axe to grind against the Romans, Etain.

Well, what else. She led them into another ambush, another massacre. Beginning with pitchwood flaming 'boulders' rolling down the two hillsides onto the road which the Picts & Brigantians had blocked by felling a tree across it.

Etain later had the satisfaction of killing Virilus in a fair fight, driving a spear straight into his heart.

This story became the subject of the 2010 movie Centurion.

 
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Etain the Brigante. As a child she had witnessed her mother ..... then killed with her father, by the Romans. She went to seek refuge further north. In Caledonia, where the Picts were fighting a defensive guerilla war against the Romans.

Led by warriors Vortix & Aeron, the Picts had attacked & basically massacred a full Roman garrison at the Roman outpost of Pinnata Castra, at the southern border of the Scottish Highlands. But they took second-in-command Quintus Dias prisoner because he could speak Pictish, and took him to Gorlacon the Pictish king. But he somehow escaped after a brutal interrogation.

Gnaeus Julius Agricola the governor of Roman Britannia sent General Titus Flavius Virilus to lead the 9th Legion on a search & rescue mission to get Dias back, providing Virilus with a captured 'Pictish' lass as a scout to guide the way. Big mistake. She was none other than the Brigantian .... with the big axe to grind against the Romans, Etain.

Well, what else. She led them into another ambush, another massacre. Beginning with pitchwood flaming 'boulders' rolling down the two hillsides onto the road which the Picts had blocked with by felling a tree across it.

Etain later had the satisfaction of killing Virilus in a fair fight, driving a spear straight into his heart.

This story became the subject of the 2010 movie Centurion.



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Well I would not push my luck with a Brigantian .... next time, if i were you.:cool:

My first shotokan instructor at Sheffield uni was a female, BTW. And she was certainly one .... who could have given any man about her size or even bigger some unexpected surprises. Maybe she had Brigantian ancestors. I don't know. Because that place also happened to have been Brigantian territory in those days, I reckon.
 
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So what do you reckon you would have done had you yourself been a .... in the same shoes as Etain? Let me venture a reasonable guess.

Just do nothing, wilt away, cry & sob away, for the rest of your sad uneventful fate-accepting life.:p
 
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Discerning fact from obvious fiction appears to be a rapidly declining ability on this website...

Can I ask what the primary sources for this Etain the Brigantine are?

And, exactly, what relation does a female kung fu artist at Sheffield have to do with any of this? Do you think that people reading this thread have no concept of a woman being able to fight, or do you believe that the existence of this shotokan-ist somehow demonstrates the truth of a hollywood movie set 2000 years ago?
 
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And BTW I have also read a historical fiction novel about her which title I have difficulty recalling precisely now, Crown of the Ravens or War of the Ravens or something along that line. Can't locate the book either darn it. A very inspiring story I thought.

Was it this one?

I liked that one very much.
 
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So what do you reckon you would have done had you yourself been a .... in the same shoes as Etain? Let me venture a reasonable guess.

Just do nothing, wilt away, cry & sob away, for the rest of your sad uneventful fate-accepting life.:p

What, you aren't seriously suggesting that *anything* in that post has any basis in history, are you? I mean, considering how many vengeance-obsessed super-hero orphans the Romans must have created in their conquests, there's no way the Empire could have survived!

Can we leave the fiction out of the discussion, maybe?

Matthew
 
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What are some of the most prominent female warriors of ancient times you know?
I think its interesting how in ancient indoeuropean societies there were Virago , female warriors... then with the more contacts to middle eastern and persian civilizations those figures started to vanish as more advanced societies like Greeks and Romam turned to only men fighting.

Yet in them still persist the memory of archaic past of warrior women like for the Deities like Diana , Demetra , Athina etc...
 
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I think its interesting how in ancient indoeuropean societies there were Virago , female warriors... then with the more contacts to middle eastern and persian civilizations those figures started to vanish as more advanced societies like Greeks and Romam turned to only men fighting.
Quite on the contrary, I reckon. The Arabs had Queen Zenobia & Queen Mavia. While the Persians had many more, some as described by Specul8 on page 3 of this thread. General Artemisia having been one of them.

Seems to be only the Europeans who have a problem with female warriors now. Maybe they somehow feel that it's not so manly anymore for a man to accept & acknowledge that there have actually been some rare women who could dish it out & duke it out at least as well as the average man, sometimes even better.
 
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Quite on the contrary, I reckon. The Arabs had Queen Zenobia & Queen Mavia. While the Persians had many more, some as described by Specul8 on page 3 of this thread. General Artemisia having been one of them.

Seems to be only the Europeans who have a problem with female warriors now. Maybe they somehow feel that it's not so manly anymore for a man to accept & acknowledge that there have actually been some rare women who could dish it out & duke it out at least as well as the average man, sometimes even better.
Zenobia and Mavia were mostly queens, Artemisia was Greek .
And I was speaking of indoeuropean tribes , which include Iranians too, while the thread is about field warriors... like could have been a Camilla of the Roman legendary ancestry.

While I don't get your comment on european problem with women.
 
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Seems to be only the Europeans who have a problem with female warriors now. Maybe they somehow feel that it's not so manly anymore for a man to accept & acknowledge that there have actually been some rare women who could dish it out & duke it out at least as well as the average man, sometimes even better.
Actually, modern Europeans don't have a problem with female warriors. They even have pregnant women as defence ministers. Some less 'manly' cultures, however, had another view on the role of women. For example, ancient Chinese Book of Odes says: 'They will never deliver evil or good'.
 
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Wonder why this Youtab was not mentioned at all in that Memnon (Memnon of Rhodes) histfict book by Scott Oden, which focused on the Persian struggle against Alexander revolving around Memnon.

He did mention the involvement of Aryobarzanes though. He was quite a key figure in it IIRC.

Because this woman, Youtab, was not mentioned in any ancient primary source related to Alexander the Great, or in any secondary source I had access to before 2007. Indeed, the only mention of her at all, outside of Iranian/Persian folklore (which was not either translated or readily available in the early 00s, when Memnon was written) is a single line in Farrokh's Shadows in the Desert. Youtab's wikipedia page reads, to me, like an attempt to insert an historical fiction character into history.

I would love to see translations of the folklore regarding her, and would 100% read a good novel featuring her.
 
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Because this woman, Youtab, was not mentioned in any ancient primary source related to Alexander the Great, or in any secondary source I had access to before 2007. Indeed, the only mention of her at all, outside of Iranian/Persian folklore (which was not either translated or readily available in the early 00s, when Memnon was written) is a single line in Farrokh's Shadows in the Desert. Youtab's wikipedia page reads, to me, like an attempt to insert an historical fiction character into history.

I would love to see translations of the folklore regarding her, and would 100% read a good novel featuring her.
Wow!!!

Man!!!

I can't believe this now. I'm 'talking' to Scott Oden. The man himself. Welcome to Historum @Scott Oden.

Hey I loved your Memnon man. He's cool. You need someone like him to balance all this excessive Alexander fanboydom that you get in some places every now & again.

Have you written anymore histficts since Memnon?

I have been attempting my own histfict for some years also. A trilogy wannabe. But just don't seem to have the drive & the focus to finish it off. Need to learn from guys like you.

Hey great talking to you dude. I hope you come over & pop in here every once in a while. Stay cool man.:ok:
 
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Zenobia and Mavia were mostly queens, Artemisia was Greek.

While I don't get your comment on european problem with women.
Just scroll back to see some previous responses.

AFAIK from my readings Zenobia & Mavia were both not only queens but also active battlefield commanders.

@JaddHaidar I believe our Syrian friend JaddHaidar might know a bit more about them two.
 
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Just scroll back to see some previous responses.

AFAIK from my readings Zenobia & Mavia were both not only queens but also active battlefield commanders.

@JaddHaidar I believe our Syrian friend JaddHaidar might know a bit more about them two.
Still not warriors... even Cleopatra lead armies... did she ever used the sword though?
 

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