German/French non Indo european languages

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Given that all the surviving non-IE languages in Europe except Basque entered within the past 2000 years(...)
I don't think we can say that with confidence about Uralic languages. Finnic and Sámi languages might have been present in north-eastern Europe ealier than that.
 
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Given that all the surviving non-IE languages in Europe except Basque entered within the past 2000 years, why would you expect more in Germany or France? (Treating the west end of the Eurasian steppes as not Europe, so Finnish and Hungarian do not count). They are far away from places where large numbers of non-IE speaking immigrants could arrive, and the Roman empire strongly encouraged people to learn one of the big four (Latin, Greek, Punic, or Aramaic). There are hints of a dozen or so non-IE languages such as Lemnian and Etruscan in the Mediterranean before Augustus, but the evidence fades afterwards, because the people who could write and put up monuments mostly wanted to use a language that other powerful people could read.
I don't expect to find non-IE languages in west europe, I am interested in knowing the linguistic history prior to IE languages. So, any records of this either written or in folklore are welcome.
 
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I don't think we can say that with confidence about Uralic languages. Finnic and Sámi languages might have been present in north-eastern Europe ealier than that.
As I said in the post you quoted, I exclude anything beyond a line from the Baltic to the Black Sea from "Europe" for the purposes of that post. I could have definitely worded it better.
I don't expect to find non-IE languages in west europe, I am interested in knowing the linguistic history prior to IE languages. So, any records of this either written or in folklore are welcome.
In the original post you asked "What are the german/ French non IE languages currently in use." Here is one post by a linguist on the languages of Europe before the Roman empire.
 
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I’ve seen that article and find it really, really intriguing. Mentally I have it filed away next to the idea that there might be a Semitic substrate underlying the Celtic languages. I’ve seen several articles lately looking at the idea of how Neolithic communities might have spread along maritime routes over the Mediterranean and the Atlantic rather than only overland across Europe. It seems to me that since Anatolia as the origin of the Neolithic can be characterized as being utterly polka dotted with Semitic, Indo-European, and numerous language isolates (perhaps including a predecessor to Basque?) that perhaps the Neolithic advance wasn’t simply undertaken by a uniform language group, but by an array of lots of different settler communities speaking vastly different languages all up and down the coast wherever they landed.

And then there’s this interesting map: Expansion of Farming in western Eurasia …which shows one path of the Neolithic expansion through Central Europe overlapping with another path of the expansion from the Mediterranean in northwest Europe. It’s hard not to imagine this as a region where an Indo-European group interacted with a Semitic group resulting in the development of the Celtic dialects. But that’s just pie-in-the-sky ideas. I want to try to look up the source for that map to try to get more details about it, but I’ve been lazy and don’t have a googles account.
 

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