Lack of research in pre Islamic Indian architecture

starstrike · Nov 18, 2024

^^Ah, I think I know what's going on. The 'domed structure' is nothing but the stupa.
The hall in front with the giant SLEEPING buddha statue is the temple itself.
It is not a dome but a vaulted structure.
This is how the ASI reconstructed it in 1956.

The vaulted hall contains the sleeping Buddha as found by ASI, reassembled from 'numberless fragments' (see below).

Aupmanyav · Nov 18, 2024

Kamayani said:
That's why a country should never have a foreign rule. Now domes are Persian, biryani is Persian, samosa is Arabic, tabala is Arabic, Indian miniature painting is Persian, Hindustani music is Persian, Indian learnt their maths from Arabs, all of Indian genealogy of it's kings is mythical but if it was written on papers/stone-tables of other world is absolute truth, Indian did not wear an armour/upper cloth/sewen clothes etc or what not.
Need to learn a few lessons of self-appreciation from neighbouring country China.

Partly true, partly wrong. but I like the spirit in which you are writing. Perhaps Samosa is from Persia.
Sleeping Buddha is equivalent to Nau-gaza (Nine meter) peer. Dig and you may find some pieces.

starstrike · Nov 20, 2024

The "sleeping" Buddha represents the "death" i.e. Parinirvana of Buddha. Kaushambi is the and hence a stupa and temple were erected there. It has a long history.

The ruins of the palace at Kaushambi were excavated by ASI in 1964 and a massive structure made of brick with vaulted chambers, arched hallways etc. was found.

Still 64 years after the excavation, Indian "historians" teach us that the arch and dome was a "gift of the Mughals" or whatever.

starstrike · Nov 20, 2024

Here is the basement level of the palace at Kaushambi excavated by ASI. This dates from the 7th cent. BCE (!!)

From the Indian Archaeology Review 1961 – 62

"A vast network of underground chambers and the superstructure in the three blocks and the galleries were found to be built on the principle of true arch. The arches allowed different varieties, the four centres pointed arch for spanning narrow passages and segmental arch for wider areas"

Aupmanyav · Nov 22, 2024

deaf tuner said:
" ... The period under review covers Islamic rule ...""

OK, probably Ashoka should have clarified it. But he has given examples of earlier times also.
IMHO, Ashoka should mention historical facts and cut down on his nationalism.

Aupmanyav · Nov 22, 2024

deaf tuner said:
.. thus the excuse not having where from to recrute researchers doesn't stand ...

I have tho a question: what exactly is "colonial archeologist" supposed to mean?

There is no dearth of people supposed to be engaged in research, but research in India generally means research of the published material.
Field trips will cost money and the officers may not approve it and think that the person wants to go on a paid holiday.
That also takes away money from the waste that they want to indulge in. Tenders, contracts, which bring them money.
Biased archaeologists.

OTTOVON BISMARCK · Dec 6, 2024

Kamayani said:
That's why a country should never have a foreign rule. Now domes are Persian, biryani is Persian, samosa is Arabic, tabala is Arabic, Indian miniature painting is Persian, Hindustani music is Persian, Indian learnt their maths from Arabs, all of Indian genealogy of it's kings is mythical but if it was written on papers/stone-tables of other world is absolute truth, Indian did not wear an armour/upper cloth/sewen clothes etc or what not.
Need to learn a few lessons of self-appreciation from neighbouring country China.

China has also Borrowed from Outsiders so there is not much difference

johnincornwall · Dec 6, 2024

Aupmanyav said:
and cut down on his nationalism.

That is always a good idea on here

Aupmanyav · Dec 6, 2024

johnincornwall said:
That is always a good idea on here

I am not a chauvinist Hindu. All those who have come to India have contributed in someway or the other, whether they were Aryans or Muslims or British. Where would be Urdu poetry if it was not for Muslims (also samosa and biryani), where would be education if it was not for British.
As for music, tabla and paintings, we already had that. Have you not heard of Veena, Mridangam or Ghatam. But sure, Muslims added to the repertoire. I do not regret that.
But we did have 'pakoras', made in hundreds of ways, which are as good as 'samosas'. And Indians perhaps had a longer acquaintance with rice than the Iranians, and making rice dishes with milk, vegetables or meat may not have been new to Indians. Don't we have 'kedgeree', a nutritionally complete meal with rice and lentils?

starstrike · Dec 7, 2024

The British destroyed Indian education. In any case, I suggest that we stick to the topic of the thread and present facts rather than hurl accusations of nationalism or otherwise.

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