Never knew much about the Canadian Revolution .... 1837-38

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Canada at this point of course is divided into two colonies; Upper and Lower Canada. In both provinces there was a rebellion:
The Lower Canada Rebellion:


The upper Canada Rebellion:
 
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A side note of history here as well; in 1867, the US Secretary of State was negotiating with Great Britain for compensation for the CSS Alabama (built in Britain at Mersey and crewed mostly by British sailors) which had sank 64 US merchants and naval ships. Initially the US asked for $2 billion dollars in damages as a result of Alabama's attacks (the CSS Alabama never went to port in any Confederate port).

However Seward offered another option; give Canada's British Columbia to the United States instead of the money. Why you might wonder?


The Annexation Debate: How British Columbia Nearly Became a US State​


August 26, 2014 / belowbc


In the final post of this blog’s breakdown of the general major sections of British Columbia’s history the transition of B.C from a colony of Britain to a province of the confederation of Canada was covered. However, in 1867, there were actually three potential futures for the province:

  1. Remain a British colony
  2. Become a part of the confederation of Canada
  3. To be annexed and become part of the United States
In Britain, by many, it was actually hoped that the North American colonies would leave the British Empire including:
  • Admiral Joseph Denman who, when speaking to the Admiralty, stated that B.C. was undeserving of Royal Navy Protection
  • The Secretary of State for the Colonies, Lord Granville, who said that he hoped that North America “would propose to be independent and annex themselves”
  • Finally, The Times which stated that “British Columbia is a long way off. . . . With the exception of a limited official class it receives few immigrants from England, and a large proportion of its inhabitants consist of citizens of the United States who have entered it from the south. Suppose that the colonists met together and came to the conclusion that every natural motive of contiguity, similarity of interests, and facility of administration induced them to think it more convenient to slip into the Union than into the Dominion. . . . We all know that we should not attempt to withstand them.”
In addition to this, there were several reasons why becoming an official part of the US made sense for the province of British Columbia:
  • Due to the gold rushes in the province, there were numerous American citizens who had made their way into BC and had settled in the area
  • With the purchase of Alaska made by the US in 1867, B.C. was now surrounded by American states along both the southern and northern boarders
  • Economically, British Columbia was essentially a satellite of the American west and the entire Pacific Northwest of North Vancouver, San Francisco with American currency in wide circulation throughout the province
Up until the purchase of Alaska, the British had, for the most part, been indifferent to the future of this colony. However, at this point they began to pay attention and an increased focus was placed on the region as a base for imperial trade in the Pacific as well as the perceived need for a Royal Navy base in the area. With the prevalent opinion being that British Columbia joining the confederation of Canada was preferable to British interests than an annexation to the Unites States and the majority of the British-born inhabitants of the province seeing confederacy as the better chance for maintaining ties to their native country, the general public opinion began to swing in this direction. Opposing this move, however, was the Legislative Council of British Columbia which was made up almost entirely of annexationists including then governor of the province, Frederick Seymour. It wasn’t until his death, when the confederation supporting Anthony Musgrave succeeded him to the position of governor, that the confederates received enough support to over-rule those in favour of annexation.

 
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You wouldn't believe how little students cared when it was taught in grade school. Even I thought it was boring and I loved history even then.

You left out the Riel Rebellion of 1885 as well. ;)
 
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You wouldn't believe how little students cared when it was taught in grade school. Even I thought it was boring and I loved history even then.

You left out the Riel Rebellion of 1885 as well. ;)
Here you go with the Riel Rebellion .....


Very interesting how outright the combat was between the two British Companies.
 
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So I'll bring another American-Canadian imbroglio .... this one has significance in my home state, as one of the Irish commanders settled his former soldiers here in the town of O'Neil, Nebraska, after his fight to conquer Canada.
 
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The best Canadian internal dust up is still the war between two COMPANIES. The war between the Hudson's Bay Company and the North West Company, also known as the Pemmican War, probably had a more significant impact on the country than the other, smaller rebellions.
 
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So I'll bring another American-Canadian imbroglio .... this one has significance in my home state, as one of the Irish commanders settled his former soldiers here in the town of O'Neil, Nebraska, after his fight to conquer Canada.

Another one that passed over every student's head, because absolutely zero background was laid for it. We got no explanation at all as to why these Irish ex-pats might have a grievance against Great Britain, just a plain telling that a bunch of Irish came up from the US with guns. Looking back, almost the whole history curriculum from the first colonization to the late 19th century had a distinctly anti-American bias, with special emphasis on every incident in which overtly aggressive Americans were put in their place by plucky Canadian pioneers or their British protectors. At the end of the day, the only thing students were taking away from three or four years of that was: Canada good, USA bad! Kind of sad, really.
 
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The best Canadian internal dust up is still the war between two COMPANIES. The war between the Hudson's Bay Company and the North West Company, also known as the Pemmican War, probably had a more significant impact on the country than the other, smaller rebellions.
It's the final half of that video above. Yeah that was something I really wasn't aware of. Interesting to us down below people as there was a third firm here the one owned by the Jacob Astor; The American Fur Company. Many people in New York City don't seem to realize that was where the Astor's made all their money.
 
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Another one that passed over every student's head, because absolutely zero background was laid for it. We got no explanation at all as to why these Irish ex-pats might have a grievance against Great Britain, just a plain telling that a bunch of Irish came up from the US with guns. Looking back, almost the whole history curriculum from the first colonization to the late 19th century had a distinctly anti-American bias, with special emphasis on every incident in which overtly aggressive Americans were put in their place by plucky Canadian pioneers or their British protectors. At the end of the day, the only thing students were taking away from three or four years of that was: Canada good, USA bad! Kind of sad, really.
You know that album by Dan Fogelberg and Tim Weisberg: Twin Brothers of Different Mothers ........... except it's more like twin brothers of different mothers but the same father.
 
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I live midway between Quebec and Boston; we have a huge French-Canadian population. The Francos have a strong cultural identity. They've had a hard time of it under the British but wouldn't have fared well under Puritan New England either. IMO it's a pity that the rebellion failed because they'd have been a good independent nation.
 
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