Slavic paganism and Slavic Folk Music

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Mosquito

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Sarmatia

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• Aug 9, 2011

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For discussion about Slavic roots, Slavic Gods, mythology and Slavic traditional music from all the Slavic countries.

 

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Mosquito

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• Aug 9, 2011

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Somthing to start with:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycq480esR5w&feature=related"]‪Slavs‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]



[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nGWIj29NO4&feature=related"]‪Slavic Art‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

 

Decembrist

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the Nile to the Euphrates

• Jan 24, 2014
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Стары Ольса - "Песнь а Будзіне" (Вайсковая песня 1686 г.)


http://youtube.com/watch?v=XBFNiVpxDpo&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DXBFNiVpxDpo

 

BenSt

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Canada, originally Clwyd, N.Wales

• Jan 24, 2014

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I've been quite interested in this myself but have never really been able to find quality sources. I've read this in the past, but it wasn't exactly academic:

[ame="http://www.amazon.ca/Perun-God-Thunder-Mark-Yoffe/dp/0820441201/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1390583106&sr=8-12&keywords=slavic+gods"]Perun: The God of Thunder: Mark Yoffe, Joseph Krafczik: 9780820441207: Books - Amazon.ca@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21sq4Ocr1qL.@@AMEPARAM@@21sq4Ocr1qL[/ame]

This one was a lot better though:

[ame="http://www.amazon.ca/Slavic-Folklore-Handbook-Natalie-Kononenko/dp/0313336105/ref=pd_rhf_dp_s_cp_1_PJNS?ie=UTF8&refRID=12TECANRS2QVNQ345YA5"]Slavic Folklore: A Handbook: Natalie Kononenko: 9780313336102: Books - Amazon.ca@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51msumNbNOL.@@AMEPARAM@@51msumNbNOL[/ame]

 

Boudicca

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Iowa

• Jan 24, 2014
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Mosquito said:

Somthing to start with:

‪Slavs‬‏ - YouTube



‪Slavic Art‬‏ - YouTube

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Oh, I like that music. What language is that in?

 

arras

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Slovakia

• Feb 3, 2014

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Boudicca said:

Oh, I like that music. What language is that in?

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Russian I think.

Would you like this one?:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1l4Tvc0JDE&feature=share"]Krynitza - Ty Ne Sprashivaj - Don't You Ask Me - YouTube[/ame]

 

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Mosquito

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• Feb 3, 2014
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Belorussian band "Stary Olsa" plays mostly war songs about battles:

The song "Battle of Orsha" in 1514

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObZFt4oRFUU]Battle of Orsha 1514 ????? ????? ????? ??? ?????? - YouTube[/ame]


"Lithuanian":

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLxS2rE44Zo]STARY OLSA - Litvin - OFFICIAL VIDEO - YouTube[/ame]

 

Boudicca

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Iowa

• Feb 3, 2014

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arras said:

Russian I think.

Would you like this one?:
Krynitza - Ty Ne Sprashivaj - Don't You Ask Me - YouTube

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I think I like the other ones better. I like the music in this one but not the singing.

 

Belloc

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USA

• Feb 3, 2014

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Ukrainian folk song(Cossack I think too)
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr34uAgjwNQ&hd=1]?? ?? ???? ?? ????? ????? (Ukrainian folk song) - YouTube[/ame]

 

Decembrist

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the Nile to the Euphrates

• Feb 4, 2014

• #10

C'mon, @arras, @Mosquito, share with us your national folk musik

 

arras

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Slovakia

• Feb 4, 2014

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Well folk music is not same as pagan music. Most of the known folk songs are not more then 100-200 years old.

There is neo-paganism gaining some popularity in Slavic countries but from my experience with these people I would not take anything they say for authentic and granted. They are more close to New Age then old Slavic paganism.

There are very few sources of paganism left. Slavs did not had Slavic Iceland where it could have been preserved and recorded in writing.

The richest source of information about paganism is folklore but it is also most problematic one because fragments which survive are usually out of their original context. It is difficult to say what is new and what is old (folklore was dynamic and lively culture up until relatively recently and not something frozen in time). Therefore reconstruction takes people skilled in several disciplines and knowing what are they doing.

 

arras

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Slovakia

• Feb 4, 2014

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Slavorum have some good stuff about Slavic paganism. Here are few examples from threat about Slavic ritual masks (used in different folk celebrations):

 

Highlander

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Serbia

• Feb 4, 2014

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They look like koledari.

Koledari - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is a koledari custom from South-East Serbia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9mY7yZRFAE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

Nostromo

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Queens

• Feb 4, 2014
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One of my favorite Slavic folkloric creatures is the Domovoi.
It's kind of the spirit of the house. According to the folklore, every household has a Domovoi. If the owner of the house does not take proper care of his home the Domovoi becomes unhappy and create troubles for the owner (es. breaking stuff, making noise at night). If the owner treats his home well, then the Domovoi will be his friend.
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domovoi]Domovoi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

The Domovoi can take many forms and shapes, but here are some pictures from Google:

Here is the name variation (from wikipedia)

Belarusian: Дамавiк (damavik)
Bosnian: Domaći
Bulgarian: Стопанин (stopanin)
Croatian: Domaći
Czech: Dědek
Polish: Domowoj, domowik
Russian: Домовой (domovoj)
Serbian: Домаћи (domaći)
Slovene: Domovoj
Slovak: Domovik
Ukrainian: Домовик (domovyk)

 

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Tulun

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Western Eurasia

• Feb 4, 2014
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arras said:

Slavorum have some good stuff about Slavic paganism. Here are few examples from threat about Slavic ritual masks (used in different folk celebrations):

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similar masks are also worn in Mohács, Hungary originating from the Sokci Croat minority Busójárás - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

but the thing was once discussed in another topic, i'm not sure at all that it is originally a Slavic custom due to its geographical spread (similar examples even from Spain and Sardinia, obviously outside any Slavic influence)
http://historum.com/european-histor...d-history-cultural-influences.html#post643889

http://historum.com/european-histor...history-cultural-influences-2.html#post643946

i rather see 2 options: these are either very old (Roman, pre-Roman) customs surviving in different parts of southern europe, or they spread in relatively modern times to various parts of Europe from an original source. (like the Hungarian Busójárás is just some hundred years old linked to the Sokci immigration from the Balkans to Hungary)

 

arras

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Slovakia

• Feb 4, 2014

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There was belief in some regions of Slovakia that spirit of former owner of the house (might be relative) turns in to snake who lives under the house. Therefore it was forbidden to kill such a snake if there was one as he was considered as sort of guardian.

 

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Mosquito

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• Feb 4, 2014

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Domovnik if offended could have leave the house or even bring "Strzyga" to the house:

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strzyga]Strzyga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

arras

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Slovakia

• Feb 4, 2014

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Tulun said:

but the thing was once discussed in another topic, i'm not sure at all that it is originally a Slavic custom due to its geographical spread (similar examples even from Spain and Sardinia, obviously outside any Slavic influence)

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These masks are common in all Slavic countries. Here are Slovak ones from Fašiangy (Shrove Tuesday?):

But similar masks indeed exists in non Slavic countries including Austria or Switzerland. What is origin I do not know. I believe they probably pre-date Christianity even if original context have been lost.

 

Nostromo

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Queens

• Feb 4, 2014

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Mosquito said:

Domovnik if offended could have leave the house or even bring "Strzyga" to the house:

Strzyga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Interesting.

I heard that you can also keep the Domovoi happy by leaving a deck of cards and some milk for him overnight.

 

Highlander

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Serbia

• Feb 4, 2014

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arras said:

There was belief in some regions of Slovakia that spirit of former owner of the house (might be relative) turns in to snake who lives under the house. Therefore it was forbidden to kill such a snake if there was one as he was considered as sort of guardian.

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In Serbia too. It was called "zmija čuvarkuća" (house-guardian snake). According to the myith it rarely appeared, but when it did it was a sign that something bad is going to happen. So her role was to warn the inhabitants of the house, and therefore protect them. If the snake was killed, the bad event heralded by the snake's appearance would have been even worse. They were belived to live in the house foundations or the hearth of the house.