The Mystery Of The Anasazi

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In 700 bc, a civilization settled in north america in the areas now encompassed by new mexico, colorado, utah, and arizona. they were called the anasazi, a prehistoric tribe of native american indians. they grew corn, squash, and beans. they wove baskets and baked pottery. they were the first recorded indian tribe to use bows and arrows. they built huge, architectural wonders, in the sides of mountains until their lands were covered with cliff cities and sprawling farms. suddenly, 650 years ago, their entire civilization vanished, leaving behind a few mumified bodies, all of their earthly possessions and a mystery that is out of this world.

The anasazi civilization was more advanced than any other tribe of indians. their pueblo style of house is reflected in modern architecture. they may be the ancestors of the hopi people and their name is a navajo word meaning "ancient people who are not us." their agricultural society and permanant houses and cities are in sharp contrast to all other tribes in the american southwest. they developed no written language but left stone paintings and carvings throughout the region. they left pottery and tools but no explanation of where they were going or why. there are many theories about their dissapearance from scientists and laymen alike, and they all fit into three basic categories.


The drought theory
Around 1100 ad, there were great droughts in the area where the anasazi lived. these droughts either killed off the entire population or drove them to migrate out of the region. tens of thousands of anasazi left their homes without taking even tools or food. when the remaining anasazi resettled in a different area, they changed their appearance, their art, their culture, and their religion. tens of thousands of anasazi left their homes without taking even tools or food. recent findings by climatologists suggest that the great drought was no where near as severe as scientists believed ten years ago, certainly not severe enough to drive a nation of people to abandon their homes.


The conflict notion
Another great warring tribe may have attacked the anasazi, killing off their entire population that was scattered over several modern-day states. they left no signs of battles large enough to destroy a nation of people. the winners did not loot and desecrate the cities of the conquered. they did not disturb the bodies that were buried peacefully inside the cities, and carried off thousands of bodies of the warriors and their wives and children that were killed in battle. no evidence of a war that drove the anasazi to extinction has ever been discovered. the cities show no sign of a seige and mass graves have never been unearthed.


The alien connection
Scientists scoff at any explanation involving extraterrestrials, but their theories are no less far-fetched. the anasazi were not the only ancient civilization to disappear without a trace, they are joined in infamy with the mayans, a race of egyptians, the fabled atlantians, and the builders of easter island. could aliens have abducted an entire population? or could the anasazians have been aliens themselves, living on the land for generations before returning to their home world? their advanced society proves that they were vastly different from any other inhabitants of the planet, and their mysterious exodus may be evidence that they didn't abandon their homes, but rather returned to them.


so how did an entire civilization vanish off of the face of the earth, leaving behind evidence of their culture but no explanation of where they went or how? you be the judge.
 
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Hyperborea
This writing seems copied uncredited from this website http://www.envasion.net/2003/anasazi.html

Or are you the author?


The article is a straw man as the Anasazi didn't disapear. So creates a false premise to make the silly third option seem feasible and refute the first two options.

The first two options are written in an arguing against them way including criticism or misrepresentation as part of them. The third option is written in a totally positive arguing for fashion. Hardly a viable structure for an article that pretends to be informative.
 
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Not to mention that a geography lesson is required. Unless the continental drift is occuring a lot faster since my last check.
 
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A tiny hamlet in the Carolina Sandhills


The anasazi civilization was more advanced than any other tribe of indians.

Hmmmm....If memory serves, the Maya might already have claim to that. The Maya had written language, a calendar as developed as our own Julian one, and a strong grasp of mathematics. Or were you just referring to north american native Americans?
 
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I do remember about 15-20 yrs ago some speculation as to the practice of cannibalism - possibly towards the end of the decline - bones were found in a dig I cant exactly remember - this is all pretty fuzzy right now - not in written print but I spoke with someone about this and was relaying directly from a person involved in the dig Chaco Canyon I believe but dont hold me to that - it was a shock - the bones showed tool use on the bones that were cooked - human bones - at the time it sent shockwaves through the people at the dig - and a high amount of speculation as to why no bodies were found - hardly ever - Either they were long livers and just moved away pr they ate the dead - there are toher primitive cultures that do that as a way of showing a high regard for their ancestor by consuming their bodies they infuse themselves with their knowledge - a tribute of honor to them. By the way - the practice of cannibalism was a shared practice by some North American Indian Tribes as well. Are you grossed out yet? Just remember people were eaten for a lot different reasons. Is that you Clarice.....
 
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Hmmmm....If memory serves, the Maya might already have claim to that. The Maya had written language, a calendar as developed as our own Julian one, and a strong grasp of mathematics. Or were you just referring to north american native Americans?
The BBC films on the Anasazi give that claim, too. Incidentally, my son and I just got a disk and watched one last week.
 
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I think they were wiped out by that race of giants from the other thread.....;)
 
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Seriously, the Anasazi people were a puzzle - why were their doors shaped the way they are? The way their culture seemed to decline leaves an impession of old wise part of the populations dying off and the young people were left to fend for themselves - like being left behind.
 
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throwing in my 2 sense. i was in Alberquerque when that research on cannabalism first caught the wind of the press. oh boy -- talk about walking on egg shells -- the native americans i was friends with were not themselves ---- anyway --- haven't climatoligists shown there was a major major el nino going on and drought was everywhere.
 
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First off, the alien hypothesis is way, way more far-fetched than anything else. Any other theory simply requires that a drought or a war was going on, both of which are fairly regular occurrences. The alien hypothesis requires that (A) Aliens exist, (B) Aliens are a technologically advanced species, (C) Such aliens actually developed space travel and, presumably, faster than light travel, (D) That they for some reason came to Earth and (E) That they decided to take out their aggression on/save the Anasazi and no one else.

Please note that I am ignoring your claims of Egypt (what race magically disappeared?), Easter Island (we know who lived there and have a pretty good idea of what happened) and Atlanteans (Who are fake. I'm just surprised there aren't people wandering around looking for Middle Earth).

In addition, the doors are not that weird. I assume you're referencing the T Shape, which is actually very rare. Most of their doors are traditional in appearance.

Finally, they didn't die off. They just abandoned their old settlements.

As a side note, there's a very strong racist element to the idea that certain peoples needed extraterrestrial help/guidance to build simple buildings out of mud and fecal matter.
 
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davu that must have been quite an unnerving experience for you - I could just imagine the tension - hopefully everything resolved itself and is ok -
I can see how they would have taken the information as an insult - but I guess we will never know the intentions of the Anasazi people as to why that took place - Maybe it was directly related to famine and weather patterns - but why havent more bodies turned up in all the previous centuries of occupation of the territory? Most people would consider cannibalism as horrible - but if it was a custom of honor to them because of their beliefs - they performed the act without malice . We just dont do that sort of thing these days It is just my guess but I think they came here at a time when the 4 corners were much more wet and that they came from a culture very different from anything here at the time - Maybe from S America or Central America or from some other place - Were they living in the cliffs for protection or becasue it is how they were used to living wherever they came from. The weird thing is how much the structures look like they could be from Israel or some place similar. And that the earliest photos of the hopi women wear dark shawls and they carry pots on their heads and some of the festivals are on the exact same days. Makes me wonder if this was a displaced group of people that just kept moving until they could move no further and settled in the cliffs to protect themselves
as a precaution against future hostiles. They seemed to do well for quite a while. But that is just my thoughts on the subject, speculative of course.
 
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Certainly, I dont think they were aliens or never implied they were, nor that they were "helped" in some way by aliens or that aliens exist. They were most certainly human beings flesh and blood like all of us, just different
thats all. If something happened and the old wise people of the culture died off and a small population of children were left - they would have gone in search of other people to live with - As the Hopis suggest they could have merged with their people or been early ancestors of their people. Either way it is a remarkable story.
 
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hopefully everything resolved itself and is ok -

not sure if its ever OK -- white man with charges of cannibalism (talk about bombshells) -- the University of New Mexico was involved. it was a very difficult time but lines of communican stayed open but i did move to other locations because of work and lost touch. i have been to ruins that are not on the tourist maps because of my friendships and they were on reservation land, they are all over the 4 corners. mostly all dirt roads - some were hikes. the conditions were you left only footprints and left nothing and took nothing. it is the strangest feeling -- being the only one there - the wind and the silence. it was breath taking and very spiritual. the walls and bricks you know are 800-900 years old..... not to go metaphysical here but the wind was just very silencing.

good book i found out there is House of Rain: Tracking a Vanished Civilization Across the American Southwest

Six hundred years ago, the Anasazi, said to be the ancestors of the Hopi, Zuni and other Pueblo peoples, left their homes in the region known as the Four Corners, where Colorado, Utah, New Mexico and Arizona converge, and disappeared.
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In Search of the Old Ones by david Roberts


also a good book-- i think he was the first one to publish about the conditions then but i could be wrong. below is quoted from the amazon book description

He guides us through controversies in the historical record, among them the haunting question of whether the Anasazi committed acts of cannibalism. Roberts's book is full of up-to-date thinking on the culture of the ancient people who lived in the harsh desert country of the Southwest
 
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davu - I know EXACTLY what you are describing - not only is the wind silencing as you say but somehow in the process of the experience it made me feel like I was invisible, a nothing, and not worthy of my presence on that ground. It is one of the most acutely aware feelings of my senses telling me to go no further that I have ever felt. Like that feeling you get when you sense a predator may be sizing you up for lunch.I have not been to a site quite like that but I know very well the feeling when the wind takes over.
 
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Fascinating thread. I had no idea there was any mystery. I simply assumed climate change,after looking at present day geography and the lack of any alternative evidence of which I'm aware.


I was fascinated to learn that the ancient Egyptians disappeared. I'm sure that will come as a surprise to many the thousands of their direct descendants currently living in Egypt..


I try to avoid the Von Daniken school of history and archaeology,based as it is on the logical fallacy of argument from incredulity. Viz: "I'm too ignorant, too stupid or too unimaginative to think of anything else, therefore the answer must be fantastic/God did it/aliens did it."
 
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Certainly, I dont think they were aliens or never implied they were, nor that they were "helped" in some way by aliens or that aliens exist. They were most certainly human beings flesh and blood like all of us, just different
thats all. If something happened and the old wise people of the culture died off and a small population of children were left - they would have gone in search of other people to live with - As the Hopis suggest they could have merged with their people or been early ancestors of their people. Either way it is a remarkable story.

If you're going to go on record saying that the theory isn't 'far-fetched,' then you'd best make it clear exactly what your stance is unless me or others like me attack you over it.
 
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@Davu.

Interesting line of enquiry. The findings are fascinating,but seem insufficient to form a broad hypothesis, and certainly not a enough for any kind of definitive conclusion.

I'd be interested in the history of cannibalism amongst those people and learning about what was happening in their world at the same time,on several levels.


Why it occurred is more interesting to me than THAT it occurred.


The researchers ruled out other possible explanations, such as starvation cannibalism, traditional preparation of the deceased, and even individuals targeted for practicing witchcraft. Cannibalism, for example, usually involves bone marrow processing. Witch roundups tend to affect a relatively small number of victims.

In my opinion,the evidence presented in the article does not allow any firm conclusions,merely speculation.
 
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I'd be interested in the history of cannibalism amongst those people

don't think there is any history among recorded history in Native American's. i have never read anywhere that said it was practiced at all. i could be wrong or just haven't read the right stuff but there has been no practice whatsoever in North America ---------------- Central & South America -- that's a different animal.

but it is shown that when geographical areas come under intense weather changes and the weather cycles are changed, all gloves are off on the survival thing -- what do you think will happen to say --LA-- (10 million) when the water is cut off. survivalists say the human animal can go about 3 days without water --

but go without water for even just one day and the survivor will be in desperate straights indeed

To maintain a high level of health and efficiency even in ideal environments, a minimum of two quarts of clean water per day per person is the generally accepted rule of thumb. In very hot or cold or very dry environments, or if you are physically active, two quarts of water a day may not be enough to sustain life over a period of days or weeks

http://www.survivaltopics.com/survival/how-long-can-you-survive-without-water/
 

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