Were Indo-Iranians Europeans?

Musicisbliss said:

It is well-known fact that the Indo-Iranians arose from Sintashta culture and Sintashta culture itself arose from the Corded Ware culture of Northern Europe, based on the recent data from various studies it seems that These Indo-Iranians were predominantly North and Eastern Europeans with High frequency of Light hair and eyes alongside caucasian features anthropological speaking. so can we consider Indo-Iranians and Rigvedic Heroes such as King Sudas, Priests of the Rigveda and tribes like Scythians European ?

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Musicisbliss said:

we are not allowed to discuss genetics so i will just say that a recent paper by Vagheesh et al showcases that these people had no BMAC infusion and they were still Sintashta/Andronovo by ancestry when they moved into Central Asia and India.

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Musicisbliss said:

so we can conclude that.
Indo-Iraninas had: European Religion, European culture, European Language, European nomadism, European ancestry etc.

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Dreamhunter said:

The places where Sintashta and Andronovo arose were not yet called 'Europe' at the time the Indo-Iranian/Aryan tribes emerged, as I understand it.

I guess some guys now called Asians, like maybe some Iranians, Pakistanis, northern Indians etc. did ultimately originate from some places located in the Europe of today.

While conversely also, some Europeans of today might also have originally emerged from places located in parts of today's Asia, as I have read.

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Dreamhunter said:

Depends what you mean or consider as 'European features'.

I mean, some guys might be more focused on hair colour, eye colour or skin tone.

While some others might be more inclined to consider face and/or head shape, eye shape, nose shape etc.

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The surprising origins of the Tarim Basin mummies

Genomic study reveals an indigenous Bronze Age population that was genetically isolated but culturally cosmopolitan

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Mathias said:

All of the above, its not exactly hard to tell the difference between these to groups just by looking at them.

From article Linked below:

" Since the late 1990s, the discovery of hundreds of naturally mummified human remains dating to circa 2,000 BCE to 200 CE in the region’s Tarim Basin has attracted international attention due to their so-called ‘Western’ physical appearance, their felted and woven woolen clothing, and their agropastoral economy that included cattle, sheep and goat, wheat, barley, millet, and even kefir cheese. Buried in boat coffins in an otherwise barren desert, the Tarim Basin mummies have long puzzled scientists and inspired numerous theories as to their enigmatic origins. "

The surprising origins of the Tarim Basin mummies

Genomic study reveals an indigenous Bronze Age population that was genetically isolated but culturally cosmopolitan

www.mpg.de

(Cant qoute the rest of the article, but If you want to take a look, there you go)

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Mathias said:

All of the above, its not exactly hard to tell the difference between these to groups just by looking at them.

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Dreamhunter said:

Well, let's just put it this way. Let's just say that you come across two Tarim mummies.

One with light coloured hair and eyes, but an otherwise rather unstriking roundy face, short small relatively unprominent nose. Then another one with much darker hair and eyes and skin, but more sharp featured face, with prominent aquiline nose, and striking jawline.

Which type would you consider as more 'European featured'?

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Mathias said:

I cant answer you, because as far as i am aware, neither of these phenotypes excists.

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Dreamhunter said:

Oh yeah? Really?

Very well then, in that case that could also mean that you either ain't travelled around all that much, or your powers of observation might not be as sharp as you believe them to be.

Fact being, not a few northern or middle Europeans have the former look, while conversely not a few Iranians, Pakistani, Azerbaijani or western Uzbek have the latter features.

I have actually seen many of both types, at close range too, so I'm not just saying it for the sake of saying it.

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Dreamhunter said:

Kristanna Lokken?

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Dreamhunter said:

Kristanna Lokken?

I mean, she's still a hawt babe, I grant. I quite like her too.

But then, my friend, just for talking's sake, I have also met many Iranians, Pakistani and western Uzbek with a, well, much more, shall I say, much more aristocratic nose?

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