Would you have been a Federalist or Democratic-Republican?

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Imagine being in the nascent American republic of the politically-turbulent 1790s, would you have supported the Federalists (e.g., Adams, Hamilton, Marshall, John Jay, Timothy Pickering, etc) or the Democratic-Republicans (e.g., Jefferson, Madison, Sam Adams, Elbridge Gerry, etc)? What would have personally compelled you to choose either side?

Note: I did not include Washington as one of the Federalists (despite his leanings) since he did not officially belong to any political party and was pessimistic about the concept of political parties.
 
Joined Mar 2009
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Texas
Going with the times in question, and leaving out what I now know, I
think I would have been a Democratic-Republican.
I feel I would have been in line with my party's fear of replacing one
numbing, unfeeling power (strong government) with another. The rights
of the people and states need to be heard and felt, not the ascending balloon
of power grabbing large government.
 
Joined Jun 2012
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At present SD, USA
Federalist...

America needed a strong central government that could curb and control the states. It was partially why we ended up having the Constitutional Convention in the first place. The states had too much power under the Articles of Confederation and the result was absolute chaos, nothing was done and the treaty that ended the Revolution was largely ignored by all the European powers...

Having a strong central government would give the US a singular voice with regard to international politics, which despite the isolationist leanings of most American politicians of the period through WW2, America could never really get away from the affairs of the world around it. Ideas such as nullification of Federal Law by the states is a step backward towards a chaotic state dominated system...

And such a system would benefit not the US but other nations outside it... for if America put the vast strength of its government in the states, foriegn powers would easily be able to bully the US because there would be no single voice that they would bother paying attention to. They'd only check the diplomatic situation between the states and then play them off against one another.

And to me, the concept that a strong Federal Government would hurt the states is weak. The constitution, written by Madison (Dem-Rep) and defended by Hamilton (Fed) gave powers to both the Federal government and to the states. The states lost power with regard to foreign affairs and interstate commerce, but outside of that, they hadn't lost much, if anything...

In addition, the lose interpretation of the Constitution and the elastic clause, which the Federalists supported, was key to America's own expansion and evolution as a nation. Without this, we would have never gotten the Louisiana Territory short of declaring war on Napoleonic France and winning.
 
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Second City
Depends where "I" would have lived; Boston, New York, Philly, Charleston, Appalachia, the Frontier. My modern sympathies are with Federalists in the early years of the Republic, but I'd break over the Alien and Sedition Acts. That being said, I would have agreed with Adams's Navy and his support of the Haitian Revolution.
 
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The far North
Imagine being in the nascent American republic of the politically-turbulent 1790s, would you have supported the Federalists (e.g., Adams, Hamilton, Marshall, John Jay, Timothy Pickering, etc) or the Democratic-Republicans (e.g., Jefferson, Madison, Sam Adams, Elbridge Gerry, etc)? What would have personally compelled you to choose either side?

Note: I did not include Washington as one of the Federalists (despite his leanings) since he did not officially belong to any political party and was pessimistic about the concept of political parties.

Republican (Democratic-Republican), easily. The Federalist movement served its greatest purpose by pushing through the Constitution and perpetuate the Union. Once that was (fairly) secure, their policies were, from my point of view, undesirable. Jefferson and Madison are among the greatest of presidents. :)
 
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From a modern perspective I can appreciate both of them. But from the perspective of the times, I'm pretty sure I would have been a Republican, especially after the Alien & Sedition Laws.
 
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The weaknesses of the Articles of Confederation made the Constitution necessary . However, during the ratification process I would have some serious reservations about the Constitution.

The lack of a bill of rights. The Federalist argument that most states already had bills of rights and the federal government did not have the power or authority to interfere with states bills of rights would not have convinced me. If the states were surrendering a portion of their sovereignty I would have insisted on a federal bill of rights.

The necessary and Proper clause:
Clause 18. The Congress shall have Power *** To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by the Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
I would have wanted a specific clarification of the meaning

I think Samuel Adams (no one called him Sam) had the right idea. He was initially opposed to the Constitution, however he surprised many at the Massachusetts ratifying convention by his silence. He said he wanted to listen and learn before he made a decision. The Federalist did a good job of explaining the Constitution to Adams. While he had reservations, he accepted the Constitution.
 
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A tiny hamlet in the Carolina Sandhills
Growing up in the south, there wouldn't have BEEN a Federalist party. I would have had no more choice in the matter than in breathing.
 
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Growing up in the south, there wouldn't have BEEN a Federalist party. I would have had no more choice in the matter than in breathing.
There were plenty of Federalists in the Carolinas, and even Maryland and Delaware went Federalist in 1796. Hell, Jefferson didn't even get 50% of the vote in Virginia in 1796.
 
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The Federalists have always come across as engineering the revolution for personal gain, immediately after the war it was their intent to use the new government to advance their economic interests; the Democratic-Republicans may have been a bit too idealistic, but at least they were well-intentioned. Of course, all of this assumes that I wouldn't have been compelled to flee to Canada or back to England by this point. ;)
 
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Alien & Sedition Laws would be a deal breaker for me, Democratic-Republican. And even though I'm not as awed by TJ as most (I'm a Madson fan), TJ over Adams is an easy choice.
 
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Alien & Sedition Laws would be a deal breaker for me, Democratic-Republican. And even though I'm not as awed by TJ as most (I'm a Madson fan), TJ over Adams is an easy choice.

I'm a fan of both, but I prefer TJ more because Madison would be considered a flip flopper, still, I'll take him over any politician we have now. I think Madison's problem was he was a nationalist first and foremost and was concerned over his legacy which made him less consistent than TJ. That being said, I still have huge respect for him. I'd also throw Patrick Henry and John Taylor of Caroline in with TJ and Madison.

The Federalists not only had bad economic ideas, they had bad political ideas that just don't jive with me at all.
 
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Madison was a protege of Jefferson and one of the best books I've
ever read, dealt with these two greatest of Americans:
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Interesting and diverse opinions here. I think Jefferson and his new party were deeply suspicious (and perhaps paranoid) about installing a new centralized government after breaking the chains off the former ruler across the Atlantic. They had valid reason to be wary because in those days it was so common for absolute power to be wielded extensively, and fear of a monarchy being freshly established on our shores was enough to create tension and finger-pointing, especially by way of the press. Then, on the other side you had the Federalists suspicious of these Jacobins, these French sympathizers, and their potential lust for rampant bloodshed evidenced by the carnage of the French Revolution. Indeed, with that parallel, they must have worried about the possibility of maybe losing their own heads if the opposition triumphed in political power!

I think I would probably lean toward Democratic-Republicans and the alluring hope of more freedom. Of course we all know the Hamiltonian model of urban industry trumped Jefferson's hope that the Republic would be comprised of yeoman farmers and a more agricultural way of life. But, like others on here, the Alien & Sedition Acts would have frightened me to the point of wondering just how believable President Adams was in terms of adamantly denying he wanted anything to do with installing a monarchy. Then, you had rumblings about Hamilton and his affinity toward the British and monarchical leanings of being king.

I really look at this from a British vs. French model. Jeffersonians wanted to embrace the French and support them even militarily against the British while Federalists, under Washington's presidential leadership, was committed to keeping the inchoate nation neutral and knew that we were ill-prepared to be taking sides that could destroy everything we worked so hard to accomplish. Throw in the fact that Shays' Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion were put down, or prepared to be put down violently by the administration, I can see how the Democratic-Republicans would be suspicious if the totality of all these events were factored together to create a foreboding fear of tyranny revisited. However, through the benefit of historical hindsight, I do agree that staying neutral during France and Britain's war as well as putting down domestic insurrections were vital for the longevity and survival of the Republic.

All in all, the politics of the 1790s were quite turbulent and arguably the ugliest and most tumultuous ever!
 
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Leesburg, VA.
Madison was a protege of Jefferson and one of the best books I've
ever read, dealt with these two greatest of Americans:
Madison and Jefferson: Andrew Burstein, Nancy Isenberg: 9781400067282: Amazon.com: Books

I've seen that book in the library, it looks good.

Also there's this.

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I haven't read it either, but I'm familiar with the author.

Edit: Let's also not forget Monroe as well.
 
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Well... All of us get to cheat, look, judge, and vote in hindsight.

I'm certainly happy with the direction the Jeffersonian Republicans took us, but there is many issues that I would have differed on.


Where I agree with Federalists

-Bank
-Louisiana Purchase
-Strong Central government, BUUUUT I would want STRONG checks and balances. I hate how some states would threaten to secede over small issues, or ignore court rulings all together (Georgia in the Tassels case for example)
-Anti-Slavery
-Good Treatment of Indians (Assimilation over removal)


To note, I would of added three new freedoms to the bill of rights. Freedom of Privacy, Freedom of thought, and some clear amendment on voting procedures (I hate how politicians can choose who votes for them. I.E. Alien-Sedition Act). This would help stop overreaching government in my opinion.

Agreement with Republicans

Side with France over Britain
Bill of Rights and especially Jefferson's view on Religious freedom.
War of 1812
Populist notions to control government

My dream? Adams loses to jefferson... Jefferson goes for two terms, followed by Madison... then instead of Menroe... we get an Alexander Hamilton for a good two terms before Andrew Jackson comes in. I'm pretending that Hamilton wasn't shot.

Though the above is my dream team, I would most likely be a Federalist. However, I would disagree with my party on many key issues.
 

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