Crime rate in America 1800's

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A tortuous way of admitting that you don't have any hard evidence relevant for the OP indeed :rolleyes: .

Curiously enough, it seems that you may find name-calling as an useful substitute for providing sources :confused: ; can you quote any methodological source supporting such unorthodox approach :cool: ?

What in the world are you talking about?

Go haunt somebody else: nobody but you constantly claims people are doing something they are not....Enjoy my not responding to you whatsoever....
 
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Excellent points, riotbeard. We all know that systematic criminology was about a rare as humane penology in those days....No fingerprinting, no real database, no FBI...just inked ledgers and autonomous law enforcement atoms just hammering the Law out in anyway that worked for their area.

I doubt a solid panorama of the crime conditions could be assembled at this late a date from such vastly checkered approaches...but let's let the folks here prove their mettle and let them try.

As said earlier by another member: local records at libraries and universities....probably from newspapers of the day, is about one's only lead.
 
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Unfortunately the reporting of crime stats is a political football in the UK as it probably also was in the US of the 1800's - the subject in hand.
 
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Until 1840 public education in the US was mostly the responsibility of churches. Thomas Jefferson gave his fortune to trying to establish government supported public education. He held this was the only way to assure a strong Republic. However, this federally regulated education did not become a reality, until 1840. This was done in response to the flood of immigrants and the rising crime rate. The primary goal of public education was to Americanize the immigrants with a set of American values, and produce a highly moral society, protecting our liberty.

In comes Horace Mann and the high breed education that was a blend of Greek based rational and religion. This was secular controlled education, rather than religious controlled education. John Dewey takes this even further and advocated we take greater steps to use education for increasing the strength of democracy. Our industry imitate England's autocracy, so we have rather weak education for democracy. Here is a link:

http://www.frinstitute.org/allschools1.html

The point is, this education is extremely important to reducing crime while maintaining the greatest liberty. In 1958 we replaced our liberal education with education for technology for military and industrial purpose, and we returned to leaving moral training to the church. This of course would result in rising crime requiring more institutionalization of criminals. Worse, is the cooperate corruption. I thought the terrible damage done by Enron was bad enough, but we continued to ignore the growing corruption problem, until it is so bad it results in an economic collapse effecting world economies. Only highly moral people can have liberty, and the only way to assure a highly moral population is education that serves that purpose.
 
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Before America was a 1st world country it was filled with wild gun slingin cowboys, and relentess and vicious indians.

Right now, America has a pretty good crime rate compared to alot of other countries. But back then, im sure there was alot of crime. Alot unrecorded too, cause it was so easy to get away with crime back then.

That's a lot of inaccurate assertions and glib generalizations crammed into four short sentences.
 

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