Indian princess marries a Korean king in 48CE?

The Imperial · May 19, 2013

I came across this interesting tidbit of history(legend) yesterday, and would like to share it with you.

Its about an Indian princess named Heo Hwang-ok(or just Princess Heo to be short), an Ayodhyan princess to be precise, traveled all the way to Korea in 1st century CE, and married a Korean king called King Suro of Gaya. It seems she was the first queen of Geumgwan Gaya, a kingdom from the Three Kingdom Period of Korea.

All this is from a literature collection called the Samguk Yusa.Apparently, this queen is also claimed to be the ancestor of some famous families in today's Korea. Can the Korean members throw more light on this topic?

Tomb of the King and his Queen-

India Is First .... Kims Ancestral Home
India + Korea Lovers: Ancient Tales: Indian Princess Heo Hwang-ok and Korean King Kim Soo Ro.
India: The Origin of Korea?

PS: I am not sure about the grammatical correctness of the title, mods please correct it if needed

kauchenvinci-0 · May 19, 2013

I think this Ayodhyan princess would have been from the ' Thailand ' Ayodhya . but even in that case , the chronology is messed up because the royal kingdom of Ayuttiya is of much latter date.

I highly doubt a princess of Ayodhya , deep inside India , would sail all the way to Korea. If she had , that was cool

and thanks for an interesting article

The Imperial · May 19, 2013

You are welcome

And even I think that it might have been Ayuttya rather than Ayodhya. Makes a little more sense that way.

f0ma · May 19, 2013

Although I can't comment on specifics, it's always wise to take semi-mythological sources like the Samguk Yusa with a pinch of salt. I'm not saying it isn't true, but a lot of these ancient stories are of dubious historical value.

The Imperial · May 19, 2013

f0ma said:
Although I can't comment on specifics, it's always wise to take semi-mythological sources like the Samguk Yusa with a pinch of salt. I'm not saying it isn't true, but a lot of these ancient stories are of dubious historical value.

I definitely don't think an Ayodhyan kingdom had the resources for such a expedition in 48CE!

My rather amateur conclusion is, that the Indian part of it was made up by the Buddhist monk/monks who worked on it. I still hope the Korean members put more light on this though.

Toltec · May 19, 2013

kauchenvinci-0 said:
I think this Ayodhyan princess would have been from the ' Thailand ' Ayodhya . but even in that case , the chronology is messed up because the royal kingdom of Ayuttiya is of much latter date.

I highly doubt a princess of Ayodhya , deep inside India , would sail all the way to Korea. If she had , that was cool

and thanks for an interesting article

Ayudthaya and Thailand didn't exist in the first century AD.

Hansaram · May 19, 2013

This legend may barely scratch the surface. There is a deeper connection between these two areas through similarities between the Korean and Dravidian languages. It's still not clear how this happened though. Maybe there was a vast ancient seaborne network that connected the cultures from India to Japan.

kauchenvinci-0 · May 19, 2013

Toltec said:
Ayudthaya and Thailand didn't exist in the first century AD.

And that is why I added this

kauchenvinci-0 said:
....... but even in that case , the chronology is messed up because the royal kingdom of Ayuttiya is of much latter date.......

sicunder · May 20, 2013

actually that is a media stunt - thailand nay have not existed back then but hinduism in its ancient form might have reached there by then, and the people of a particular religion like naming their children and new villages naming with the associated mythology. you can guess now what happened.

but media and both govts made it blow out of proportion - i have come to know - indian city of ayodhya is now a sister city of some korean city. ofcourse , a royal marriage btwn 2 great faraway major ancient civs is more fantasyish.

sicunder · May 20, 2013

indians have been trading with our ancient eastern neighbours like thailand since the begining- yes they had boats but they couldnt go as far as korea for a bridegroom hunt for a princess. but indian religions spread to our neighbours like wild fire through those maritime trade routes. and people name their newly established villages with their religious mythology and singhpur (singapore the lion fountain - its symbol) is one such example- korean prince may have taken a .... his wife from these hindu cities of south east asia and not from deep inside northindian plains

rocket7777 · May 20, 2013

The Imperial said:
I came across this interesting tidbit of history(legend) yesterday, and would like to share it with you.

Its about an Indian princess named Heo Hwang-ok(or just Princess Heo to be short), an Ayodhyan princess to be precise, traveled all the way to Korea in 1st century CE, and married a Korean king called King Suro of Gaya. It seems she was the first queen of Geumgwan Gaya, a kingdom from the Three Kingdom Period of Korea.

All this is from a literature collection called the Samguk Yusa.Apparently, this queen is also claimed to be the ancestor of some famous families in today's Korea. Can the Korean members throw more light on this topic?

Tomb of the King and his Queen-

India Is First .... Kims Ancestral Home
India + Korea Lovers: Ancient Tales: Indian Princess Heo Hwang-ok and Korean King Kim Soo Ro.
India: The Origin of Korea?

PS: I am not sure about the grammatical correctness of the title, mods please correct it if needed

I would say easy to verify if they dig it up and do dna.

I could speculate few things.

Maybe she was part of merchant clan could really be from india, but NOT recently. Like part of zhou or qin clan but since china was enemy, they said india. Or maybe even like jews form zhou/qin.

Dreamhunter · May 20, 2013

The Imperial said:
I came across this interesting tidbit of history(legend) yesterday, and would like to share it with you.

Its about an Indian princess named Heo Hwang-ok(or just Princess Heo to be short), an Ayodhyan princess to be precise, traveled all the way to Korea in 1st century CE, and married a Korean king called King Suro of Gaya. It seems she was the first queen of Geumgwan Gaya, a kingdom from the Three Kingdom Period of Korea.

All this is from a literature collection called the Samguk Yusa.Apparently, this queen is also claimed to be the ancestor of some famous families in today's Korea. Can the Korean members throw more light on this topic?

That article first came out about 3 years ago, if I recall correctly. And it did make me dig around for some info on it.

The king of Ayodhya - the original Ayodhya in India - the seat of the ancient Ikshvaku dynasty, I believe, which included Rama as one of its kings - was advised in his dream to marry off his then 16 year old daughter to the king of Korea, or rather Karak kingdom, in the Korean Peninsula. This was about mid 1st century AD. The locals named her Huh or Heoh. A plaque at Huh's tomb by the banks of the river Saryu narrates the legend.

The ancient kingdom of Funan, which covered lands in today's southern Cambodia and southern Vietnam, according to legend was also founded in around 100 AD by a Brahmin warrior-adventurer from India named Kaundinya. Now, this Kaundinya on his journey to Funan would likely have passed through Langkasuka (recorded as Illangasogam in Tamil chronicles), an ancient Malay kingdom in northern Malay Peninsula believed to be cognate with Funan, and likely under its hegemony.

While this legend has no hard evidence to back it up, it is considered a made-up composite of many real historical events that really happened in that era between India and the ancient lands of South East Asia - including those relating to the real archaelogically proven kingdoms of Funan and Langkasuka - involving commercial and cultural interactions between India and those lands in SEA.

Now, if Funan and Langkasuka traded and interacted with India in those times, a marriage between an Ayodhyan princess and a king of Karak kingdom in Korea would not have been so far-fetched. After all, the Korean Peninsula is not that far away to the north from southern Vietnam.

hoihoi · May 20, 2013

The Imperial said:
I came across this interesting tidbit of history(legend) yesterday, and would like to share it with you.

Its about an Indian princess named Heo Hwang-ok(or just Princess Heo to be short), an Ayodhyan princess to be precise, traveled all the way to Korea in 1st century CE, and married a Korean king called King Suro of Gaya. It seems she was the first queen of Geumgwan Gaya, a kingdom from the Three Kingdom Period of Korea.

All this is from a literature collection called the Samguk Yusa.Apparently, this queen is also claimed to be the ancestor of some famous families in today's Korea. Can the Korean members throw more light on this topic?

Tomb of the King and his Queen-

India Is First .... Kims Ancestral Home
India + Korea Lovers: Ancient Tales: Indian Princess Heo Hwang-ok and Korean King Kim Soo Ro.
India: The Origin of Korea?

PS: I am not sure about the grammatical correctness of the title, mods please correct it if needed

Kaya was not three kingdoms in korea
Kaya was the wajin's

rocket7777 · May 20, 2013

hoihoi said:
Kaya was not three kingdoms in korea
Kaya was the wajin's

If you are going to accept princess from india theory, shilla was very tiny chiefdom right next door and must accept kims are related. They even share golden egg beginnings. Also, shilla's found was Discover by wa [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogong"]Hogong[/ame].
Conspiracy theory might say what if hogong wa hata type jews in japan and placed his own baby into the golden egg/box.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silla"]Silla - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Other than that, to me gaya always sounded like inida. There's gaya in india around where princess is from too.

hoihoi · May 21, 2013

rocket7777 said:
If you are going to accept princess from india theory, shilla was very tiny chiefdom right next door and must accept kims are related. They even share golden egg beginnings. Also, shilla's found was Discover by wa Hogong.
Conspiracy theory might say what if hogong wa hata type jews in japan and placed his own baby into the golden egg/box.

Silla - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Other than that, to me gaya always sounded like inida. There's gaya in india around where princess is from too.

korean drama is just fantasy. of couese there might be trading between them.
so please show the description as an evidence.

How about jeju island? three Queens came from Japan and married Jeju's spirit.it was origine of Jeju island. Faithfulness is　more high..
高麗地理誌

hoihoi · May 21, 2013

at first . it was never called Kaya 金官国 before 562, that is ,before Minana(old sailla shiraki ,新羅）ruined
the truth of founder of 金官国was not 首露王Suro of Geumgwan Gaya. it was （鶏林= kim tribe) who took over old Silla
I think 金仇亥 who was relative of Kim was a founder

Suro of Geumgwan Gaya would be a King (the governor-general) who received an Imperial command of the Emperor Saimei, and was dispatched to Silla

Rosi · May 21, 2013

hoihoi said:
korean drama is just fantasy. of couese there might be trading between them.
so please show the description as an evidence.

How about jeju island? three Queens came from Japan and married Jeju's spirit.it was origine of Jeju island. Faithfulness is　more high..
高麗地理誌

^What is that text, hoihoi? Can you paraphrase it for us? If not, I may have to take it down.

hoihoi · May 21, 2013

Rosi said:
^What is that text, hoihoi? Can you paraphrase it for us? If not, I may have to take it down.

three Queens came from Japan and married Jeju's spirit.it was origine of Jeju island.
『高麗史』巻57地理志2（耽羅縣

初無人三神人從地湧出今鎭山北麓有穴曰毛興是其地也長曰良乙那次曰高乙那三曰夫乙那三人遊獵荒僻皮衣肉食一日見紫泥封木函浮至東海濱就而開之內有石函有一紅帶紫衣使者隨來開函有靑衣處女三人及諸駒犢五穀種乃曰我是日本國使也吾王生此三女云西海中岳降神子三人將欲開國而無配匹於是命臣侍三女而來宜作配以成大業使者忽乘雲而去三女以歲次分娶之就泉甘土肥處射矢卜地良乙那所居曰第一徒高乙那所居曰第二徒夫乙那所居曰第三徒始播五穀且牧駒犢日就富庶十五代孫高厚高淸高季昆弟三人造船渡海泊于耽津蓋新羅盛時也于時客星見南方太史奏曰異國人來朝之象也及厚等至王嘉之稱厚曰星主以其動星象也令淸出袴下愛如己子稱曰王子又稱其季曰徒內邑號曰耽羅以初來泊耽津而朝新羅也各賜寶蓋衣帶而遣之自此子孫蕃盛敬事新羅高爲星主良爲王子夫爲徒內其後服事百濟除星主王子之號以其爲佐平使者爲恩率及羅濟亡耽羅國主見太子未老朝高麗太祖因賜星主王子爵瑞山

three women said ...
We are messengers of Japan.
"Japanese King (in other words the Emperor) is our parent"
the Japanese King "wants to make a country in Jeju Island"
become our vassal . we order that you serve us
then they married with jeju's spirits...

that is why Ama(海女）　exist only in japan and jeju
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ama_(diving)

rocket7777 · May 21, 2013

hoihoi said:
three Queens came from Japan and married Jeju's spirit.it was origine of Jeju island.
『高麗史』巻57地理志2（耽羅縣

初無人三神人從地湧出今鎭山北麓有穴曰毛興是其地也長曰良乙那次曰高乙那三曰夫乙那三人遊獵荒僻皮衣肉食一日見紫泥封木函浮至東海濱就而開之內有石函有一紅帶紫衣使者隨來開函有靑衣處女三人及諸駒犢五穀種乃曰我是日本國使也吾王生此三女云西海中岳降神子三人將欲開國而無配匹於是命臣侍三女而來宜作配以成大業使者忽乘雲而去三女以歲次分娶之就泉甘土肥處射矢卜地良乙那所居曰第一徒高乙那所居曰第二徒夫乙那所居曰第三徒始播五穀且牧駒犢日就富庶十五代孫高厚高淸高季昆弟三人造船渡海泊于耽津蓋新羅盛時也于時客星見南方太史奏曰異國人來朝之象也及厚等至王嘉之稱厚曰星主以其動星象也令淸出袴下愛如己子稱曰王子又稱其季曰徒內邑號曰耽羅以初來泊耽津而朝新羅也各賜寶蓋衣帶而遣之自此子孫蕃盛敬事新羅高爲星主良爲王子夫爲徒內其後服事百濟除星主王子之號以其爲佐平使者爲恩率及羅濟亡耽羅國主見太子未老朝高麗太祖因賜星主王子爵瑞山

three women said ...
We are messengers of Japan.
"Japanese King (in other words the Emperor) is our parent"
the Japanese King "wants to make a country in Jeju Island"
become our vassal . we order that you serve us
then they married with jeju's spirits...

that is why Ama(海女）　exist only in japan and jeju
Ama (diving) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is kind of irony. People of se asia and japan tatooed so that it discourage things like shark and crocodile from attacking since it mimics warning sign of poison such as sea snake.
So I would say it was 20kyp, not just 2kyp.

kazeuma · May 23, 2013

It is more likely the legend was created in order to control the emergence of Buddhism in Korea. They probably thought, " How best to control the new religion of Buddhism than create a legend where the local king marries a "relative" of the historical Buddha? and by divine right, the king rules Korea."

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