Is Islam an inherently violent and barbaric ideology?

Jim Casy said:

On the Brits being to blame - Are you referring to the discredited 'Memoirs' that involved a Brit (Hempher?) and your country?

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Domhnall Balloch said:

Because leftist activists are mostly big-mouthed cowards, who could start a fight in an empty room and lose.

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Domhnall Balloch said:

I won't dispute the statement, but it's telling that, whenever Islam comes under fire, the instant response is to go 'what about what Christianity did in so-and-so-century?' as if that's some sort of defence.

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arkteia said:

I initially read it in a book on neurology.

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Throughout this thread a great amount of people have been resorting to a lot of name-callings, just to supposedly offend people that even don't exist

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Kartir said:

Some people ask for it. Role-playing the intellectual, trying to be the voice of "reason", playing the devil's advocate, or being an unabashed apologist for an ideology that has brought nothing but misery would surely ruffle some feathers. Arguing in favour of this ideology in any way is a grave insult to its countless victims and an affront to our intelligence.

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Mike McClure said:

Historicly it is also true that Muslim violence was in reaction to Christian attacks. Maybe if the West would leave Muslims alone the violence would end.

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tomar said:

err... how so....?

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tomar said:

It did not have better models to look up to.....

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I don't know where the hack did you bring up "the insult to its countless victims" hogwash. Where did you read in my comments defending violent Islamism!? You're even completely incapable of understanding an argument.

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This is straw-men fallacy all over. You just assumed that I'm a sort of an "Apologist" just in order to you to play the "tough, no nonsense guy".

Tell, me that's the reason that you joined this forum, to trolling non-stop?

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Efendi said:

I meant the alliance between Brits, and Suud family who are the promoter of such an insane heretic ideology like wahhabism. Your alliance created a monster. May be Brith thought a war like people would be helpfull against Khaliphate, thought they didnt had much use against Turks as they couldn't find much support amongst muslims.

It is a food for thought to understand today, a tip for ISIS, Al Queda, their ideology.

I am not in position to put Greath Britain under responsibilty for all the problem of ME, they need to clean their mess. But we can't denie the outcome of our common history.

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HowlingWolf500 said:

Not all atrocities that extremist Muslims commit is motivated or caused by Islam. For example, the Palestinians are motivated by political and ethnic conflicts, not religion.

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Cmyers1980 said:

I absolutely agree with you. Even Muslims who don't physically commit acts of terrorism themselves, still support them and find them to be morally justifiable given the doctrinal basis for in the Koran and Hadith. Of course not all Muslims are like this but a large number are unfortunately. Here is the evidence:


http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailweekly.asp?fileid=20060728.@03
Pew Global: 68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified. 43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified. 38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified. 15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified. 13% of Indonesian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified. 12% of Jordanian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified. 7% of Muslim Israelis say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified. Support for Suicide Bombings and Bin Laden Still High Among Some Muslims | CNS News (Pew Global Attitudes Project September, 2009)
Center for Social Cohesion: One Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam WikiLeaks: 1 in 3 British Muslim students back killing for Islam, 40% want Sharia law | Daily Mail Online Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdf
Policy Exchange: One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf
NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons; Many British Muslims Put Islam First - CBS News WebCite query result
NOP Research: Hardcore Islamists comprise 9% of Britain's Muslim population; Another 29% would "aggressively defend" Islam; http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06 WebCite query result
Pew Research (2010): 84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam 86% of Jordanian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam 30% of Indonesian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam 76% of Pakistanis support death the penalty for leaving Islam 51% of Nigerian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam Muslim Publics Divided on Hamas and Hezbollah | Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Project
ICM Poll: 11% of British Muslims find violence for religious or political ends acceptable. http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian Muslims Poll Nov 04/Guardian Muslims Nov04.asp More Survey Research from a British Islamist Hell :: Daniel Pipes
Terrorism Research Institute Study: 51% of mosques in the U.S. have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence; 30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence; and 19% have no violent texts at all. Sharia Adherence Mosque Survey: Correlations between Sharia Adherence and Violent Dogma in U.S. Mosques | Kedar | Perspectives on Terrorism
9/11 Attacks
al-Arabiya: 36% of Arabs polled said the 9/11 attacks were morally justified; 38% disagreed; 26% Unsure http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/09/10/166274.html
Gallup: 38.6% of Muslims believe 9/11 attacks were justified (7% "fully", 6.5% "mostly", 23.1% "partially") Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News: That "tiny percentage of radical Muslims" again Just Like Us! Really? - The Washington Institute for Near East Policy
Pew Research (2011): Large majorities of Muslims believe in 9/11 conspiracy Muslim-Western Tensions Persist | Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Project
Pew Research (2006): Only 17% of British Muslims believe that Arabs carried out the September 11th attacks. Poll shows Muslims in Britain are the most anti-western in Europe | World news | The Guardian
Sharia (Islamic Law)
83% of Pakistanis support stoning adulterers 78% of Pakistanis support killing apostates Pakistan: New Poll Shows 78 Percent of Pakistanis Support Death Penalty for Leaving Islam :: Responsible for Equality And Liberty (R.E.A.L.)
Center for Social Cohesion: 40% of British Muslim students want Sharia http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...haria-law.html http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdf
ICM Poll: 40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK - Telegraph
GfK NOP: 28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf
NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam; Many British Muslims Put Islam First - CBS News WebCite query result
MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory) Strong support for Shariah in Canada | Canada | News | Toronto Sun Much good news and some worrying results in new study of Muslim public opinion in Canada | Macdonald-Laurier Institute
World Public Opinion: 81% of Egyptians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country 76% of Pakistanis want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country 49% (plurality) of Indonesians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country 76% of Moroccans want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf
World Public Opinion: 64% of Egyptians said it was “very important for the government” to “apply traditional punishments for crimes such as stoning adulterers.” http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf
Pew Research (2010): 77% of Egyptian Muslims favor floggings and amputation 58% of Jordanian Muslims favor floggings and amputation 36% of Indonesian Muslims favor floggings and amputation 82% of Pakistanis favor floggings and amputation 65% of Nigerian Muslims favor floggings and amputation Muslim Publics Divided on Hamas and Hezbollah | Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Project
Pew Research (2010): 82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers 70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers 42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers 82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers 56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers Muslim Publics Divided on Hamas and Hezbollah | Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Project
Honor Killings
Turkish Ministry of Education: 1 in 4 Turks Support Honor Killings Turkey: Poll ? Over a Quarter Support Islamic Supremacist ?Honor Killings? :: Responsible for Equality And Liberty (R.E.A.L.) TODAY'S ZAMAN
Civitas: 1 in 3 Muslims in the UK strongly agree that a wife should be forced to obey her husband's bidding http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVEY/Site Download.pdf http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf
BBC Poll: 1 in 10 British Muslims support killing a family member over "dishonor". Honour killing ? a stain on our nation « Express & Star
Middle East Quarterly: 91 percent of honor killings are committed by Muslims worldwide. Honour Killing Entrenched in Islam
95% of honor killings in the West are perpetrated by Muslim fathers and brothers or their proxies. Barbara Kay: Continue calling ?honour killings? by its rightful name | National Post
A survey of Muslim women in Paris suburbs found that three-quarters of them wear their masks out of fear - including fear of violence. Canada gets it right with veil rules | North Bay Nugget
Two-thirds of young British Muslims agree that 'honor' violence is acceptable. 'Honour' violence is acceptable, say one in five young British Asians | Daily Mail Online

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Cmyers1980 said:

Here are some links to excellent sites that among other things detail the effects that Islam has on the Muslim world WITH statistics and evidence to back it up.

The World?s Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project
(Results of Pew surveys of Muslims worldwide and their beliefs. Highly recommend you read this)

What the Muslim world believes, on everything from alcohol to honor killings, in 8 maps, 5 charts - The Washington Post
(If you are lazy and don't feel like reading just read the WP article with graphs and charts of the same survey results)

Muslim Opinion Polls - Challenging the 'Tiny Minority of Extremists' Myth

Muslim Statistics - WikiIslam

Muslim Statistics (Terrorism) - WikiIslam

Muslim Statistics (Honor Violence) - WikiIslam

Persecution of Non-Muslims - WikiIslam

Are Judaism and Christianity as Violent as Islam? - WikiIslam

Shahid - WikiIslam
(Shahid means martyr)

Islam and .......... - WikiIslam

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anmol said:

I think its not that other religion have been less violent, its only that other religions have moved on they have reformed and some-what come into compatibility with modern ethics. Islam has more or less remained very unopen to change- they have'nt undergone reformation movements like Hinduism and Christianity etc. Islam is in need of internally driven reform so that it becomes compatible with modern ethics

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HowlingWolf500 said:

Not all atrocities that extremist Muslims commit is motivated or caused by Islam. For example, the Palestinians are motivated by political and ethnic conflicts, not religion.

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kbear said:

how can anyone say islam is not violent when it has brought death, destruction and misery to millions of people? these are the deaths for just the last 3 days:

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Efendi said:

Muhammed banned his teaching be recorded. What we have about him are the hadidth, which are oral records, recorded in written form long after his life, some of the are considered to be authentic.

That is why we don't have exact information about himshelf.

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