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Elena said:

I never claimed Ukraine is underdeveloped BECAUSE of the handouts, I claim Ukraine made itself underdeveloped and because of that has now to rely on handouts.

Will see in a couple of years where we all will be...

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Why did you shown the foreign debt of Ukraine? To prove your point that Ukraine is underdeveloped.

Elena said:

Bravo!

When propaganda consumers are faced with the fact that their view of the world can be challenged they resort to labeling!

Beorna, you still did not substanciate your "between 250.000 and 750.000 deported to the SU. another 200.000 were between 1945 and 1950 imprisoned in the SBZ (the later GDR)"

and forgive me for pointing it out to you but POW were the very same people who were guilty of the murder of 20 million soviet civilians. My opinion? They should've been hanged.

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soldiers are no murderers, as long as they did no murder as war crime. Or didn't I realized a new international law. so I suppose you want to hang the about 17 million German soldiers who served during the war? Now I can see, why you have no problem with deportation or murder by the Stalinists.

sturm said:

Why did you shown the foreign debt of Ukraine? To prove your point that Ukraine is underdeveloped.

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I didn't just "show" Ukrainian foreign debt; I showed how much it shot up just in space of less then a year.

Ukraine lives by borrowing from other countries, and it happenes because it can no longer sustain itself. But what is more tragic is that credits do not go into economy, but largely -- on pet "projects" that makes them settle in the pockets of the parties involved in the "projects", or are simply shared by those at the top of the power tree.

beorna said:

soldiers are no murderers, as long as they did no murder as war crime. .

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Did the Soviet Union invite Nazis? What did those "soldiers" do once on the territory of the Soviet Union? Who was keeping Leningrad in blokade and showered it with artillery? Who bombed Soviet towns and villages? Who kept Kharkov (already under the German occupation) in a blokade thus starving its civilian population? Who was digging up Ukrainian top soil and sending it to Faterland (a major contributor to the famine of 1946-1947)?

Please, spare me your "it was Hans from SS that did it!" German ordinary Hansels and Grettles were committing mass murders in the Soviet Union. And they were doing it WILLINGLY.

By what "international law" did Nazis murder 20 million soviet civilians?

This is the sixth or seventh attempt to give a response. I really don't know what to answer.
Don't you have a russian forum or at least just any other, where you can spread your nonsense and anti-semitic phrases?

beorna said:

This is the sixth or seventh attempt to give a response. I really don't know what to answer.
Don't you have a russian forum or at least just any other, where you can spread your nonsense and anti-semitic phrases?

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well, I don't know why you complain...

Perix said:

well, I don't know why you complain...

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pardon?

beorna said:

This is the sixth or seventh attempt to give a response. I really don't know what to answer.
Don't you have a russian forum or at least just any other, where you can spread your nonsense and anti-semitic phrases?

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Oh! Sorry! Did I rattle your anti-soviet/anti-Russian little cosy world of supposedly HISTORY forum where you give preference to bile of dissidents (that's euphemism for "social rejects", btw) and "personal stories" over official data, resorting to tested slogans and labeling of opponents since you can't substanciate your propaganda-born claims with anything remotely objective? Where you can't tolerate any dissent from aproved by pc ideology and accepted by you (no questions asked!) views?

Well, I suppose, intolerance to any dissent is part of liberal democracy where
population is not requied to think or question; all thoughts, opinions and conclusions are already made for you, put into books and newspapers, beamed at you through the TVs and reinforced by thought police and courts that give prison sentences for THOUGHT crimes! (in Germany, for example).

You are brought up incapable of independent thinking, relying on authorities to form your opinions.

Democracy (for those who believe it exists) is not dead nor dying, it simply progressed from the tyranny of liberalism to the next level – authoritative tyranny.


I'll leave you alone; continue sharing your 600 million billion horror stories to amuse each other.

And here's another debate that is long overdue for closure.

Elena, I suggest you read this thread carefully:

http://www.historum.com/showthread.php?t=2263

Pericles
Historum Administrator