Good thread.
Pretty stump here...um....
The Japaneses had the same Aryan Supremacy for there Empire,were willing to fight long side Hitler for the same reasons.
In some cases,Hitler look pond as the Japanese as having some connection to the master race.
Hitler even declared war on the US just to prove he was a good allied friend to the Japanese.
Pretty stump here...um....
The Japaneses had the same Aryan Supremacy for there Empire,were willing to fight long side Hitler for the same reasons.
In some cases,Hitler look pond as the Japanese as having some connection to the master race.
Hitler even declared war on the US just to prove he was a good allied friend to the Japanese.
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Hinterland
Are you high jacking you're own thread? it seems you have gone of topic into like a race topic,I wish not to go there.
The Japanese wanted to rule the Asians,the Germans wanted to rule Europe.
If ever came in contact,I believe there would be no percussions.
The Japanese did not want Europe,The Germans did not want Asia.
The Japanese wanted to rule the Asians,the Germans wanted to rule Europe.
If ever came in contact,I believe there would be no percussions.
The Japanese did not want Europe,The Germans did not want Asia.
The "alliance" had little or nothing to do with ideology. The Germans and the Japanese both found it beneficial to keep Soviet Russia guessing as to when either remote flank (East-Central Europe or the Far East) would be the scene of military conflict.
As Germany had no intention of respecting the non-aggression pact with the USSR, the Japanese began implementing their moves in the Pacific and SE Asia.
The reality that it was not much of an alliance is the Japanese moves in the Pacific at the end of 1941...the same time that the German drive on Moscow was running out of steam. The elimination of a serious Japanese threat in Asia enabled the Red Army to redeploy enough fresh forces to stop and then turn away the Wehrmacht from Moscow.
I am sure the Germans really appreciated all the help they got from their Japanese "ally."
In answer to the supremacy issue, it is a toss up as to who was more racist, Germans or Japanese.
As Germany had no intention of respecting the non-aggression pact with the USSR, the Japanese began implementing their moves in the Pacific and SE Asia.
The reality that it was not much of an alliance is the Japanese moves in the Pacific at the end of 1941...the same time that the German drive on Moscow was running out of steam. The elimination of a serious Japanese threat in Asia enabled the Red Army to redeploy enough fresh forces to stop and then turn away the Wehrmacht from Moscow.
I am sure the Germans really appreciated all the help they got from their Japanese "ally."
In answer to the supremacy issue, it is a toss up as to who was more racist, Germans or Japanese.
The Japanese were subjected to an American oil embargo. "Reliant on the US for 80% of its oil, the Japanese were forced to decide between withdrawaling from China, negotiating an end to the conflict, or going to war to obtain the needed resources elsewhere."
Hitler believed that the Japanese were a formidable force with which to fight the Allies. The pact was proposed prior to Pearl Harbor but signed three days after.
It was a very logical move. While Germany hoped the Japanese would wage war with the Soviets Japan was steadfast in it's resolve not to.
Hitler believed that the Japanese were a formidable force with which to fight the Allies. The pact was proposed prior to Pearl Harbor but signed three days after.
It was a very logical move. While Germany hoped the Japanese would wage war with the Soviets Japan was steadfast in it's resolve not to.
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I agree with pikeshot, this alliance have nothing to do with ideology. The japanese had other plans, they wanted to rule Asia, they also felt superior to the other races of course, particulary the chinese, but that was not due to nazism, or aryan race.
Let us not forget that the Germans had alliances with European countries, which were considered not as superior as the aryan race.
Let us not forget that the Germans had alliances with European countries, which were considered not as superior as the aryan race.
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Manila
Yes. Japan was defeated early by the Soviets in a land base attack on the Mother Russia, using tanks. This is where Zhukov used his favorite pincer movement. And for Japan it is futile to attack Soviets by land because of this defeat.
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Damned England
Germany's other Ally, Italy, were not Germanic, either.
However, Japan was essential to (a) destroy the British empire in the east, and there was a lot of it, don't forget, and most importantly, Japan had probably the best and largest modern Deep Sea navy in the world. Something Germany almost completely lacked. Cutting Britain off from its empire was very important, and also, America's entry into the war was no surprise to the Germans. They'd been expecting it for while.
Japan, though, was more interested in a "Mexican standoff" with the USA: give them a bloody nose (at Pearl Harbor), then retreat to behind a vast and distant "perimeter fence". The Japanese High Command did not believe that America would have the stomach for warfare over such a vast area and so far from their own mainland. Plus, since Hitler had been trying to get Japan into the war almost since the offset, any declaration of war against Japan was likely to provoke a German declaration of war against America. This, of course, happened. The Japanese believed that America definitely would hesitate to wage war against both Japan and Germany. They probably also doubted that the US would ever ally itself with the USSR.
Whilst there was no way Germans could be seen as Japanese, or vice versa, both countries had similarities: both had godlike (in the eyes of their subjects) leaders; both required a martial spirit (and had a warlike, martial past); both believed themselves to be deprived in their past by "inferior" races and both believed that they were superior to their surrounding countries.
But it was Japan's navy and (hopeful) attack on the USSR which Hitler most hoped for. The only problem was, Hitler's hopes were not the same as those of the Japanese High Command, and even Yamamoto had doubts about war:
However, Japan was essential to (a) destroy the British empire in the east, and there was a lot of it, don't forget, and most importantly, Japan had probably the best and largest modern Deep Sea navy in the world. Something Germany almost completely lacked. Cutting Britain off from its empire was very important, and also, America's entry into the war was no surprise to the Germans. They'd been expecting it for while.
Japan, though, was more interested in a "Mexican standoff" with the USA: give them a bloody nose (at Pearl Harbor), then retreat to behind a vast and distant "perimeter fence". The Japanese High Command did not believe that America would have the stomach for warfare over such a vast area and so far from their own mainland. Plus, since Hitler had been trying to get Japan into the war almost since the offset, any declaration of war against Japan was likely to provoke a German declaration of war against America. This, of course, happened. The Japanese believed that America definitely would hesitate to wage war against both Japan and Germany. They probably also doubted that the US would ever ally itself with the USSR.
Whilst there was no way Germans could be seen as Japanese, or vice versa, both countries had similarities: both had godlike (in the eyes of their subjects) leaders; both required a martial spirit (and had a warlike, martial past); both believed themselves to be deprived in their past by "inferior" races and both believed that they were superior to their surrounding countries.
But it was Japan's navy and (hopeful) attack on the USSR which Hitler most hoped for. The only problem was, Hitler's hopes were not the same as those of the Japanese High Command, and even Yamamoto had doubts about war:
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Well confidence in the Red Army and or the Soviet Navy had to be low within the Japanese command. They gave the Russian Empire a black eye not that long ago in the Ruski - Japanese war of the early 20th century. That is where the Japanese found inspiration to attack Perl Harbour, they succeeded against one massive land power with their superior navy in a surprise attack... why not do it again.
Well to be honest the Germans, or rather Hitler showed admiration for China and Japan and placed the Japanese as the most superior race after the Nordic peoples.
During the 1930's Germany had a relationship with the Chinese Nationlists. They helped to train and equip China's army and those German trained divisions went into battle against the Japanese. I think it was maybe 1939 that Hitler decided to swap his support for Japanin the East.
Likewise, the Soviet Union did a lot of switching of its support back and forth during the 1920s and 1930s. I think when Germany gave their support to Japan, the Soviets went back and gave their support to the nationalists to check Japan from threatening Siberia.
Likewise, the Soviet Union did a lot of switching of its support back and forth during the 1920s and 1930s. I think when Germany gave their support to Japan, the Soviets went back and gave their support to the nationalists to check Japan from threatening Siberia.
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Damned England
Yes, the problem with the Chinese Nationalist and Communist movements, when Japan invaded and probably before, was that neither were particularly effective and tended to spend most of their time watching the other. When the Japanese invaded, the Americans tended to try and boost the Nationalists, but they preferred to sit back and see how the war unfolds, hoping to be there to pick up the pieces when the war ended. Trouble is, the Communists felt exactly the same
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I've posted it before, but I've always found it interesting that the first German killed in WWII was killed by the Japanese.
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Marriage of convenience. My enemies enemy is my friend. They both had dreams of world domination and theri spheres of influence didn't overlap so they didn't see each other as competitors. As mentioned above, they each had a ideology of superiority over their neighbors in their own spheres of influence.
It is interesting to see how little they actually helped each other out with technology or material support.
I have an interest in military firearms and the Italians actually made for the Japanese some of the best produced rifles that were to be had in the war for the Japanese. They produced 60,000 Carcano rifles for use by the Japanese Imperial Naval Forces prior to the war.
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcano"]Carcano - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
It is interesting to see how little they actually helped each other out with technology or material support.
I have an interest in military firearms and the Italians actually made for the Japanese some of the best produced rifles that were to be had in the war for the Japanese. They produced 60,000 Carcano rifles for use by the Japanese Imperial Naval Forces prior to the war.
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcano"]Carcano - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
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A tiny hamlet in the Carolina Sandhills
Agreed. Germany had pissed off all of the other major players involved. They didn't have many choices left!
The Carcano was good enough for Oswald, too!
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If you read more about the nazis you will find out that all they did/said was just to serve their purposes and there was almost never any pure ideology in their actions. They needed the strong ally in Asia that Japan was, so they made up those things about them being also part of the master race, just as they needed the land and resources of the slavs in Eastern Europe and the money and property of the jews, so they made up the idea they are "Untermenschen". If it was the jappanese in Eastern Europe and the slavs in Asia the nazis would make the first Untermenschen and the second part of the master race - just politics.
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Yes. That. Those.
The CBI and Pacific Theaters divided the Allies' production with the ETO and Lend-Lease. Sure, Eisenhower got all that he needed, but not all that he might have gotten.
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