The Facts about Roman Crucifixion

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Hello,

I'm curious about the reality of Roman crucifixion. It seems there are a lot of opinions on the internet about how it was done, who would have been crucified, how long they would have survived, nail placement, etc. But actual evidence to back up these claims seems harder to come by. Does anyone have any evidence to offer to back up answers to these questions?

- Were all crucifixion victims flogged beforehand?
- Were women crucified, and if so, how often?
- Were crucifixion victims usually crucified upright on a cross with a cross-bar? Or was there no standard? Would it have been equally common to see them upside-down or nailed to vertical stakes without crossbars, or X-shaped crosses?
- Were they usually nailed to the crosses, or was it common to bind them with rope?
- Were they always stripped completely naked, or would they have worn clothes in some instances?
- Did they have a place to stand? A place to sit?
- Was the cross beam detached from a permanent upright stake when they were nailed to it, or were they nailed to the full cross lying on the ground?

Any help would be great. Thanks!
 
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Hello,

I'm curious about the reality of Roman crucifixion. It seems there are a lot of opinions on the internet about how it was done, who would have been crucified, how long they would have survived, nail placement, etc. But actual evidence to back up these claims seems harder to come by. Does anyone have any evidence to offer to back up answers to these questions?

- Were all crucifixion victims flogged beforehand?

No

- Were women crucified, and if so, how often?

Yes, and there is no way of knowing
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- Were crucifixion victims usually crucified upright on a cross with a cross-bar? Or was there no standard? Would it have been equally common to see them upside-down or nailed to vertical stakes without crossbars, or X-shaped crosses?

There was no standardization, just a broad technique. The end state goal was to kill through asphyxiation and exposure, so whatever shape allowed for that was used.

- Were they usually nailed to the crosses, or was it common to bind them with rope?

Both. Sometimes together too.

- Were they always stripped completely naked, or would they have worn clothes in some instances?

Mostly stripped naked, to remove the dignity of those executed. But surely not always, because it wasn't standardized.

- Did they have a place to stand? A place to sit?

Sitting defeats the purpose. The horror of crucifixion was that the longer someone tried to hold themselves up, to take pressure off their arms and lungs from supporting their weight (which caused asphyxiation), the longer it took to die. Sometimes a platform was nailed to the pole (with the feet sometimes nailed to it), which allowed the crucified person to put their weight on it, prolonging their deaths. Other times they could put pressure on their feet nailed upright, or even tied directly to the vertical pole, which would prolong death. Its why breaking the legs was seen as mercy, because then the crucified couldn't put their weigh on their legs, so they'd asphyxiate quicker

- Was the cross beam detached from a permanent upright stake when they were nailed to it, or were they nailed to the full cross lying on the ground?

No standardization. Whomever was in charge of organizing the execution did it however they wanted to based on how they thought crucifixion was supposed to happen, along with resources available.

Any help would be great. Thanks!

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Peter Connolly does a good reconstruction of basic crucifixion in his book "The Holy Land". He has illustrations of the remains of a man who was crucified in Romans times, including nails still in place in the ankles. I've also read 2 or 3 medical articles about the presumed physical effects, a while back.

I would not assume there was much of a "standard procedure" regarding flogging, stripping, gender, etc. It all depended on the victim and the circumstances. Certainly women were crucified at times--during the siege of Jerusalem in c. 70 AD, the Romans were tacking up anyone they caught trying to escape the city. Up to THREE HUNDRED people per day! That got old, fast, so the soldiers experimented with new and different poses, just for fun.

Anyway, from what we know, it does seem that nailing was typical, and there wasn't much reason for tying. Connolly shows evidence for the nails to be driven through a block of wood first, to serve as a "washer" (so the nail head doesn't just pull through the limb), and this would also serve to keep blood from spraying on the guy with the hammer. Remember, crucifixion was specifically meant to be the most painful and horrible way to die! Ropes are for wimps.

Also, there was no need to have the victim way up in the air, forcing the executioners either to haul the guy and the crossbar up the pole, with all manner of ropes and ladders and such, or (worse) nail him to a cross lying flat and then laboriously hauling *that* upright. That's a huge amount of work.

Much easier to have the cross set up first, in nice solid holes or sockets, with the crossbar at about eye level. A couple burly soldiers hold the victim against the upright and extend one arm to the crossbar--I suppose a quick lashing of rope might help for that, or just a couple gut-punches. Stick the first nail anywhere along the forearm between radius and ulna and hammer it in. The victim will likely be a little more compliant at this point, as you grab the other arm and repeat. Now just lift his feet and drive one nail through both heels into the side of the upright. Done! No heavy hauling or cleverness required. Remember, soldiers stuck on crucifixion duty are the guys who flunked out of latrine duty, so they are neither bright nor energetic. Keep it simple.

No "seat" or anything is needed, in fact it's kind of counterproductive. If the feet were lifted up under the victim's butt, he can kind of rest on them. But that may pull on the arms, which not only hurts them (a lot), but puts pressure on the lungs. It's hard to get a full breath, and there's a feeling of slow suffocation. So the victim pushes up with the legs to get a breath and relieve the arms, but that hurts the nailed ankles. So he relaxes his legs, the arms hurt and he can't breath, so he pushes up. On and on, keeping the wounds bleeding.

The medical articles I read all came to different conclusions about the exact cause of death, whether it was blood loss or shock or whatever. But really, it's everything! And it can go on for hours or days. And the clever bit is that the victim is torturing *himself* to death at this point.

If you can't wait around that long, break the legs. That brings up images of big clubs or mallets, but really all you need to do is push on the knees, and the lower legs will break agains the upright beam. Possibly the femer, too, but no need for that. Once the legs are broken, they won't support any weight, and the victim will basically suffocate, if shock and blood loss don't get him first.

The exact shape of the cross doesn't matter a whole lot. It's probably safe to assume that the usual shape was either T-shaped or a classic cross simply because of the word "crucifixion". An X-shape, with arms and legs spread, should work fine. And remember that not only was this meant for maximum pain and humiliation (so presumably the victim was stripped first), but the soldiers on duty got to keep any usable clothing or posessions. No point in messing any of that up first, eh?

OH---One more fascinating detail that is usually badly misinterpreted. In the Bible, Jesus is given a drink of something, often translated as "wine mixed with vinegar", etc. It's supposedly part of the torment. Well, that's just posca! The typical cheap wine or wine-vinegar mix that soldiers (and many civilians) drank all the time. So someone had his canteen there. And the sponge on a stick is generally shown as a long pole meant to reach way up on the telephone-pole like cross, which of course we know is unnecessary. And sponges don't grow on the hills around Jerusalem, so what's up? Well, a sponge on a stick was a common implement in the days before toilet paper! Presumably one of the soldiers had one in his pack. And while it's easy enough to give a crucified man a drink from any cup or messpan, it sounds to me like the soldiers were yucking it up--"Hey, don't dirty my messpan on that guy's lips--my sponge needs a rinse!" What a bunch of kidders, eh?

Anyway, I hope that brightens your day! Careful with those nailguns, kids.

Matthew
 
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Cepheus - Could you give me some guidance on how to access this? It looks helpful, but I'm pretty new here, so I'm not sure how to get to it. Thanks!

Sure. Normally you could just type in your question in a search engine like GOOGLE or Bing. However, let me give you the link so you can go right to the wiki page.

LINK:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion

The article has a lot of information on Crucifixion with references/sources at the bottom.

Note also, that as you read the article there may be references at the end of the sentence. e.g. [1] If you click on the reference number it will take you to the specific reference cited.
 
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Peter Connolly does a good reconstruction of basic crucifixion in his book "The Holy Land". He has illustrations of the remains of a man who was crucified in Romans times, including nails still in place in the ankles. I've also read 2 or 3 medical articles about the presumed physical effects, a while back.

I would not assume there was much of a "standard procedure" regarding flogging, stripping, gender, etc. It all depended on the victim and the circumstances. Certainly women were crucified at times--during the siege of Jerusalem in c. 70 AD, the Romans were tacking up anyone they caught trying to escape the city. Up to THREE HUNDRED people per day! That got old, fast, so the soldiers experimented with new and different poses, just for fun.

Anyway, from what we know, it does seem that nailing was typical, and there wasn't much reason for tying. Connolly shows evidence for the nails to be driven through a block of wood first, to serve as a "washer" (so the nail head doesn't just pull through the limb), and this would also serve to keep blood from spraying on the guy with the hammer. Remember, crucifixion was specifically meant to be the most painful and horrible way to die! Ropes are for wimps.

Also, there was no need to have the victim way up in the air, forcing the executioners either to haul the guy and the crossbar up the pole, with all manner of ropes and ladders and such, or (worse) nail him to a cross lying flat and then laboriously hauling *that* upright. That's a huge amount of work.

Much easier to have the cross set up first, in nice solid holes or sockets, with the crossbar at about eye level. A couple burly soldiers hold the victim against the upright and extend one arm to the crossbar--I suppose a quick lashing of rope might help for that, or just a couple gut-punches. Stick the first nail anywhere along the forearm between radius and ulna and hammer it in. The victim will likely be a little more compliant at this point, as you grab the other arm and repeat. Now just lift his feet and drive one nail through both heels into the side of the upright. Done! No heavy hauling or cleverness required. Remember, soldiers stuck on crucifixion duty are the guys who flunked out of latrine duty, so they are neither bright nor energetic. Keep it simple.

No "seat" or anything is needed, in fact it's kind of counterproductive. If the feet were lifted up under the victim's butt, he can kind of rest on them. But that may pull on the arms, which not only hurts them (a lot), but puts pressure on the lungs. It's hard to get a full breath, and there's a feeling of slow suffocation. So the victim pushes up with the legs to get a breath and relieve the arms, but that hurts the nailed ankles. So he relaxes his legs, the arms hurt and he can't breath, so he pushes up. On and on, keeping the wounds bleeding.

The medical articles I read all came to different conclusions about the exact cause of death, whether it was blood loss or shock or whatever. But really, it's everything! And it can go on for hours or days. And the clever bit is that the victim is torturing *himself* to death at this point.

If you can't wait around that long, break the legs. That brings up images of big clubs or mallets, but really all you need to do is push on the knees, and the lower legs will break agains the upright beam. Possibly the femer, too, but no need for that. Once the legs are broken, they won't support any weight, and the victim will basically suffocate, if shock and blood loss don't get him first.

The exact shape of the cross doesn't matter a whole lot. It's probably safe to assume that the usual shape was either T-shaped or a classic cross simply because of the word "crucifixion". An X-shape, with arms and legs spread, should work fine. And remember that not only was this meant for maximum pain and humiliation (so presumably the victim was stripped first), but the soldiers on duty got to keep any usable clothing or posessions. No point in messing any of that up first, eh?

OH---One more fascinating detail that is usually badly misinterpreted. In the Bible, Jesus is given a drink of something, often translated as "wine mixed with vinegar", etc. It's supposedly part of the torment. Well, that's just posca! The typical cheap wine or wine-vinegar mix that soldiers (and many civilians) drank all the time. So someone had his canteen there. And the sponge on a stick is generally shown as a long pole meant to reach way up on the telephone-pole like cross, which of course we know is unnecessary. And sponges don't grow on the hills around Jerusalem, so what's up? Well, a sponge on a stick was a common implement in the days before toilet paper! Presumably one of the soldiers had one in his pack. And while it's easy enough to give a crucified man a drink from any cup or messpan, it sounds to me like the soldiers were yucking it up--"Hey, don't dirty my messpan on that guy's lips--my sponge needs a rinse!" What a bunch of kidders, eh?

Anyway, I hope that brightens your day! Careful with those nailguns, kids.

Matthew
Thanks, Matthew - that's all very interesting. Could you point me to some of your sources? For example, are there contemporary accounts that describe varying "procedures," giving us the idea that there was no standard? The bit about the siege of Jerusalem sounded interesting and solid - where did you get that? And is there actually an account that SAYS that victims were stripped first, or is that just an assumption? Also, I thought I had heard something before about crucifixion being described in ancient writings as "sitting on the cross." Are we sure they were not given something to sit on?
 
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Sure. Normally you could just type in your question in a search engine like GOOGLE or Bing. However, let me give you the link so you can go right to the wiki page.

LINK:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion

The article has a lot of information on Crucifixion with references/sources at the bottom.

Note also, that as you read the article there may be references at the end of the sentence. e.g. [1] If you click on the reference number it will take you to the specific reference cited.
Oh, I see! I thought you were referring to a wiki page within Historum. Thanks!
 
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Also, do we actually have accounts of women being crucified, or do we just assume that in examples like the siege of Jerusalem when SO MANY people were crucified, some of them MUST have been women? I'll be honest - I'm an adult, and I want to keep this discussion classy, but one of my big questions is whether it was, as a friend of mine tries to convince me, common practice for the Romans to strip women naked and display them on crosses. My friend seems to think this is obvious, based on generalizations of Roman culture and values, but I'm not seeing actual hard evidence for it. Again, I want to keep this classy, and hope nobody is offended by the question, but I'm interested in the historical facts. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Also, do we actually have accounts of women being crucified, or do we just assume that in examples like the siege of Jerusalem when SO MANY people were crucified, some of them MUST have been women? I'll be honest - I'm an adult, and I want to keep this discussion classy, but one of my big questions is whether it was, as a friend of mine tries to convince me, common practice for the Romans to strip women naked and display them on crosses. My friend seems to think this is obvious, based on generalizations of Roman culture and values, but I'm not seeing actual hard evidence for it. Again, I want to keep this classy, and hope nobody is offended by the question, but I'm interested in the historical facts. Any help would be appreciated.

Romans regularly sacked enemy cities and allowed their soldiers three days of unsupervised mayhem to include the mass raping of the all enemy, male or female, whichever they preferred. After that, most of the women would be sold into slavery where their new owners were allowed to do with them whatever they wanted, to include .... or crucifixion (which was the standard execution for slaves).

Why do you think they had issues with unclothed female slaves being crucified? The point of crucifixion was to remove dignity. Why keep their clothes on?
 
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Thanks, Matthew - that's all very interesting. Could you point me to some of your sources? For example, are there contemporary accounts that describe varying "procedures," giving us the idea that there was no standard? The bit about the siege of Jerusalem sounded interesting and solid - where did you get that? And is there actually an account that SAYS that victims were stripped first, or is that just an assumption? Also, I thought I had heard something before about crucifixion being described in ancient writings as "sitting on the cross." Are we sure they were not given something to sit on?

You're welcome! And contrary to popular belief, I have NOT actually tried all this on anyone. Yet. Honest.

Peter Connolly, "The Holy Land", ISBN-13: 978-0199105335 (I have an older edition with the snappy title, "Living in the Time of Jesus of Nazareth.")

It would take a little digging to find the medical articles, though I'm pretty sure I did print them and stick them somewhere. Long ago.

The siege of Jerusalem is detailed in Josephus, "The Jewish War". Unfortunately, while there are scattered references to crucifixion in various ancient writings, I don't think any of them are detailed enough to be sure about any "standard" procedures. The best details I've seen actually come from the Bible (gambling clothes away, etc.). So we know Jesus was stripped, and there's no point in assuming his treatment was very untypical. I've never heard of "sitting" on a cross, so no idea where that might have come from. I suspect that way too much of what we "know" may come from later traditions and rumors, from long after crucifixion was practiced. Also be aware that the Romans were NOT the only people to practice crucifixion.

And I don't think we should get the idea that crucifying slaves was a *common* thing, like catching the bus to work or anything. It was a very brutal form of execution, not to be used when you just needed to sell off extra stock, etc. But slaves *could* be crucified, whereas Roman citizens could not. A man in a hurry to dispose of unwanted or useless prisoners was more likely to just chop or stab them, quick and efficient.

Ah, here's the reconstruction from Connolly:

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Matthew
 
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Romans regularly sacked enemy cities and allowed their soldiers three days of unsupervised mayhem to include the mass raping of the all enemy, male or female, whichever they preferred. After that, most of the women would be sold into slavery where their new owners were allowed to do with them whatever they wanted, to include .... or crucifixion (which was the standard execution for slaves).

Why do you think they had issues with unclothed female slaves being crucified? The point of crucifixion was to remove dignity. Why keep their clothes on?
It's not so much that I doubt it, as that I haven't seen solid evidence for it. It does seem plausible, but do we have proof? Also, the flip side of your question is, why take their clothes from them? Was it just a form of "payment," since their clothes had value? Or was it actually intended to humiliate them? Or both? And do we have proof? Thanks for the information you provided - very interesting. Could you point me to your sources?
 
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It's not so much that I doubt it, as that I haven't seen solid evidence for it. It does seem plausible, but do we have proof? Also, the flip side of your question is, why take their clothes from them? Was it just a form of "payment," since their clothes had value? Or was it actually intended to humiliate them? Or both? And do we have proof? Thanks for the information you provided - very interesting. Could you point me to your sources?

Sources to what? Roman warfare? If you need me to provide sources that Romans ..... and pillaged it really means you need to buckle down and just read a couple generalized books about Roman history. Their military history is rife with it. They were a very cruel people, all evidence supports this. A modern person from western civilization would likely go catatonic from the shock of seeing the every day life of what it was to life as a Roman 2,000 years ago.

Go read up on what happened to a queen named Boudicca and the indignities that she suffered. She was a QUEEN, not a slave owned and considered property, thus without any real rights.

Heck, the Roman constitution gave the father of the family, the paterfamilia, the right to kill or sell into slavery any member of his family for nearly any reason. That's the basis of Roman culture, everything else built off the fact that paterfamilia were allowed near total control on their household with little to no oversight.
 
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Sources to what? Roman warfare? If you need me to provide sources that Romans ..... and pillaged it really means you need to buckle down and just read a couple generalized books about Roman history. Their military history is rife with it. They were a very cruel people, all evidence supports this. A modern person from western civilization would likely go catatonic from the shock of seeing the every day life of what it was to life as a Roman 2,000 years ago.

Go read up on what happened to a queen named Boudicca and the indignities that she suffered. She was a QUEEN, not a slave owned and considered property, thus without any real rights.

Heck, the Roman constitution gave the father of the family, the paterfamilia, the right to kill or sell into slavery any member of his family for nearly any reason. That's the basis of Roman culture, everything else built off the fact that paterfamilia were allowed near total control on their household with little to no oversight.
I guess I was mostly focusing on the crucifixion part of what you said. Obviously the Romans ..... and pillaged, and sold people into slavery. And then obviously a slave COULD be crucified legally. But do we have accounts of it actually happening to women? I know Boudicca and her daughters were badly mistreated, but they weren't actually crucified. Still valuable info though - thanks. And thanks for your patience - I don't mean to be suspicious in a bad way, I'm just trying to dig down to get as comfortable with this as I can.
 
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I guess I was mostly focusing on the crucifixion part of what you said. Obviously the Romans ..... and pillaged, and sold people into slavery. And then obviously a slave COULD be crucified legally. But do we have accounts of it actually happening to women? I know Boudicca and her daughters were badly mistreated, but they weren't actually crucified. Still valuable info though - thanks. And thanks for your patience - I don't mean to be suspicious in a bad way, I'm just trying to dig down to get as comfortable with this as I can.
Or do we have accounts of a paterfamilia actually having his female slave or wife or daughter crucified? All legally possible, but did it happen? (Not saying it didn't, just looking for the documentation.) Thanks.
 
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I guess I was mostly focusing on the crucifixion part of what you said. Obviously the Romans ..... and pillaged, and sold people into slavery. And then obviously a slave COULD be crucified legally. But do we have accounts of it actually happening to women? I know Boudicca and her daughters were badly mistreated, but they weren't actually crucified. Still valuable info though - thanks. And thanks for your patience - I don't mean to be suspicious in a bad way, I'm just trying to dig down to get as comfortable with this as I can.


As to sources of women crucified, the easiest place to start is the Spartacus Revolt, in which EVERYONE captured was crucified (to include women), as well as the long list of female saints that were martyred by crucifixion, such as Blandina, Julia of Corsica, etc.

I'm not trying to be mean or something, but I just don't think you are going to find an answer suitable here on historum. You need to just dive into the history and read it yourself. I posted last page the references that are used in the wikipedia, that's as good as place as any to start your own research. I believe that by finding this info yourself you'll be in a much better place than if someone just gives you the quote and line.

Teach a man to fish and all that...
 
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Or do we have accounts of a paterfamilia actually having his female slave or wife or daughter crucified? All legally possible, but did it happen? (Not saying it didn't, just looking for the documentation.) Thanks.

Daughters wouldn't be crucified, that was a slave's death, specifically used for those who rebelled against their masters. It was basically one of the most undignified and worst ways to die, besides Poena cullei, the punishment for parricide, killing their father, the paterfamilia, which was seen as the most horrific form of rebellion possible, thus the most severely punished (scourging, sewn into sack with various live animals, tossed into Tiber).

There are quite a few examples throughout history of fathers killing sons and daughters who displeased them or for matters of honor, etc. The most famous I can think of off hand is the story of the centurion Lucius Verginius who honor-killed his own daughter, causing such a political stir that it was justification to overthrow the tyrannical decemvirs, in power to create the constitution.
 
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Daughters wouldn't be crucified, that was a slave's death, specifically used for those who rebelled against their masters. It was basically one of the most undignified and worst ways to die, besides Poena cullei, the punishment for parricide, killing their father, the paterfamilia, which was seen as the most horrific form of rebellion possible, thus the most severely punished (scourging, sewn into sack with various live animals, tossed into Tiber).

There are quite a few examples throughout history of fathers killing sons and daughters who displeased them or for matters of honor, etc. The most famous I can think of off hand is the story of the centurion Lucius Verginius who honor-killed his own daughter, causing such a political stir that it was justification to overthrow the tyrannical decemvirs, in power to create the constitution.

Lucius Verginius killed her at her own request because she wanted to avoid unjustly spending her life as a slave after a tyrant made her one through a bad distortion of the legal system.

As for killing a son or daughter the Pater Familias may have had that right in 500 bc but during recorded roman history he most definitely did not have any such right.

For some examples

Ulpian First book on adulteries
A father cannot kill his son without a hearing but should bring an accusation before him before the prefect or provincial governor.

Marcian

While hunting a man killed his son who was committing adultery adultery with his stepmother. The deified Hadrian is said to have exiled him to an island because in killing him he used more a brigands right than a fathers.

And this from Ulpian reveals that when a father could kill his daughter had extreme restrictions to the point of non-existance

Ulpian

The law says he should have caught the adultery inside his daughter. This does not seem without point for the law intended that the father should have this privilege if and only if he should catch his daughter while she was actually engaged in this shameful act

There is more on the right I don't feel like quoting (cliffnotes he must do it immediately, must kill the lover to, the commentators thought it more likely he would kill the lover and it only applied in the pater familias' house or that of his son in law) but the fact that this is being described in detail in law shows that when that law was written (by Augustus) no such right to kill your daughter existed (otherwise why grant that right in an extremely narrow circumstance?).

Roman Law evolved from when it was a small village on the Tiber.

About the actual topic crucifixion I don't honestly know. We know women could be killed with extreme pain and humiliation and that it was donw but I know of no Roman statute saying she can not be crucified and it would be inconsistent with later Europeans if Romans granted women special exemptions from punishments under law. The image of a crowd that can't believe a woman will be hanged or executed is a uniquely American one (and one that ended with Mrs. Surat's involvement with the Lincoln Assassination).
 

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