Top 100 Chinese Generals(portfolio format)

TakedaShingen · Feb 14, 2025

I've noticed a bunch of "Top 100s" lately on the forum and since I'm Chinese and have noticed that a lot of members on here are interested in Chinese history, I've decided to create my own "Top 100" list for Chinese generals and commanders. Please keep in mind that I'm not a professional history writer like @Congo100 and these are my personal picks. Anyone can debate these picks. However, like @Congo, I've done vigorous research these few days to back up my choices. Now I'm pasting these rules from @Congo100's rules because they'll be the same. See below:

Congo100 said:
Some lists have admirals. Admirals will be excluded from this list. It's difficult enough comparing commanders from extreme eras, let alone commanders from different theaters of combat.

I will display a portfolio of each commander with the same rank on each list. For example, this first list of commanders each were ranked #100 on one of the five lists. I will rank them: 96-100. Explain my logic, gather input, then when the dust settles, I grab the next five commanders to be ranked. These commanders will be from the #99 batch. I will repeat the process.

If a commander was already listed (for example, one list had a guy at 100 and another has him at 99, when I list the 99 ranked commanders, there will only be four and show which commander will not be examined (because we have already ranked him).

In the end, I expect more than 100 commanders will be ranked. I'm estimating that each list will have 10-15 unique commanders that neither of the other lists will have. So, I predict the worst case scenario will be around 160 commanders will be evaluated.

But we only list 100. Once we have 100, if we have more as I predict, the new ranked commanders will push out the previous bottom commanders.

We just focus on the keep number of 100.

Each portfolio will have the commander's name, date of existence, position of power and then a list his or her achievements in chronological order. Some will have a "NOTE". This is a more detailed or addendum to the previous event or sentence.

I will be doing the same as @Congo100 except these will be Chinese commanders and generals. People who participated in Congo's thread(or Congo himself) and anyone interested can join this debate.

TakedaShingen · Feb 14, 2025

100. Zuo Zongtang

Also known as General Tso (yes, like the chicken), Zuo Zongtang was a Qing dynasty statesman and military leader. He is best known for his role in suppressing the Taiping and Dungan rebellions. His strategic insight and effective governance helped stabilize regions plagued by unrest.

Consistent victories: Key victories in major rebellions.
Diversity of adversaries: Tackled both internal rebellions and external threats.

TakedaShingen · Feb 14, 2025

Note: I'm posting less frequently now, so bear with me on this because it's gonna be a long project.

Samuraistuff03 · Feb 21, 2025

TakedaShingen said:
I've noticed a bunch of "Top 100s" lately on the forum and since I'm Chinese and have noticed that a lot of members on here are interested in Chinese history, I've decided to create my own "Top 100" list for Chinese generals and commanders. Please keep in mind that I'm not a professional history writer like @Congo100 and these are my personal picks. Anyone can debate these picks. However, like @Congo, I've done vigorous research these few days to back up my choices. Now I'm pasting these rules from @Congo100's rules because they'll be the same. See below:

I will be doing the same as @Congo100 except these will be Chinese commanders and generals. People who participated in Congo's thread(or Congo himself) and anyone interested can join this debate.

NICE!

Samuraistuff03 · Feb 21, 2025

Huo Qubing had better be high

Samuraistuff03 · Feb 21, 2025

I'm still unsure about my top 10.

1. Han Xin
2. Huo Qubing (yes. Man was great)
3. Bai Qi
4. Cao Cao
5. Sun Ce
6. Li Jing
7. Li Shimin
8. Guo Ziyi
?

Maybe Dorgon and Wei Qing next? Putting Sun Ce ahead of Li Jing is perhaps going too far

Samuraistuff03 · Feb 21, 2025

TakedaShingen said:
I've noticed a bunch of "Top 100s" lately on the forum and since I'm Chinese and have noticed that a lot of members on here are interested in Chinese history, I've decided to create my own "Top 100" list for Chinese generals and commanders. Please keep in mind that I'm not a professional history writer like @Congo100 and these are my personal picks. Anyone can debate these picks. However, like @Congo, I've done vigorous research these few days to back up my choices. Now I'm pasting these rules from @Congo100's rules because they'll be the same. See below:

I will be doing the same as @Congo100 except these will be Chinese commanders and generals. People who participated in Congo's thread(or Congo himself) and anyone interested can join this debate.

I might do this for Islamic commanders. But there'd be too much back-lash over my placing of The Prophet

TakedaShingen · Feb 21, 2025

Samuraistuff03 said:
I'm still unsure about my top 10.

1. Han Xin
2. Huo Qubing (yes. Man was great)
3. Bai Qi
4. Cao Cao
5. Sun Ce
6. Li Jing
7. Li Shimin
8. Guo Ziyi
?

Maybe Dorgon and Wei Qing next? Putting Sun Ce ahead of Li Jing is perhaps going too far

Sun Ce was meh. Yue Fei should be on the list. Maybe Wu Qi? Xu Da?

TakedaShingen · Feb 21, 2025

I also think that Cao Cao is very, very overrated on this forum.

Samuraistuff03 · Feb 21, 2025

TakedaShingen said:
Sun Ce was meh. Yue Fei should be on the list. Maybe Wu Qi? Xu Da?

Yue Fei? Maybe. Sun Ce > Wu Qi

TakedaShingen · Feb 21, 2025

Samuraistuff03 said:
Yue Fei? Maybe. Sun Ce > Wu Qi

How about Xiang Yu.

Samuraistuff03 · Feb 21, 2025

TakedaShingen said:
How about Xiang Yu.

Good candidate

Samuraistuff03 · Feb 21, 2025

TakedaShingen said:
100. Zuo Zongtang

Also known as General Tso (yes, like the chicken), Zuo Zongtang was a Qing dynasty statesman and military leader. He is best known for his role in suppressing the Taiping and Dungan rebellions. His strategic insight and effective governance helped stabilize regions plagued by unrest.

Consistent victories: Key victories in major rebellions.

Diversity of adversaries: Tackled both internal rebellions and external threats.

Not doing 5 at a time like congo?

TakedaShingen · Feb 21, 2025

Samuraistuff03 said:
Not doing 5 at a time like congo?

Nah, Don't have enough time.

Samuraistuff03 · Feb 23, 2025

TakedaShingen said:
100. Zuo Zongtang

Also known as General Tso (yes, like the chicken), Zuo Zongtang was a Qing dynasty statesman and military leader. He is best known for his role in suppressing the Taiping and Dungan rebellions. His strategic insight and effective governance helped stabilize regions plagued by unrest.

Consistent victories: Key victories in major rebellions.

Diversity of adversaries: Tackled both internal rebellions and external threats.

Where's #99?

TakedaShingen · Feb 23, 2025

Samuraistuff03 said:
Where's #99?

I'm busy in the sweatshops.

Sherlock1800 · Mar 2, 2025

大佬蹲一个：凉爽的：我在把他们刚选好的100个名单做成视频搬到B站

TakedaShingen · Mar 2, 2025

Sherlock1800 said:
大佬蹲一个：凉爽的：我在把他们刚选好的100个名单做成视频搬到B站

Ok.

TakedaShingen · Mar 2, 2025

Number 99 is Zheng Guofan. His main achievement was crushing the Taiping Rebellion.

RedHared · Mar 3, 2025

Sherlock1800 said:
大佬蹲一个：凉爽的：我在把他们刚选好的100个名单做成视频搬到B站

The forum has a rule against posting in languages other than English, translation for others is that you were planning to make the Historum Top 100 list into a video and upload to Bilibili.

With that said, I just saw the video and it looks fantastic! The forum rules may not allow you to post links until you're 30 days old and have at least 30 posts. Maybe after that you could link this video in the list's official thread. I counted the votes along with Ixtab, so I have a list of all the figures who received votes, feel free to DM me.

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