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maine
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Matosinhos Portugal
Sorry friend, my intention was not to offend anyone, I admit that I explained myself badly, I apologize next time I'll be more careful.
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Ireland
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Beneath a cold sun, a grey sun, a Heretic sun...
And its children, Rock and Roll.
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Ireland
This may be looked at supportively by admirers of America but cringingly by others, it's your choice, but the idea that BIGGER IS BETTER could be seen as an American gift to the world.
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Nexus of the Crisis
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Nexus of the Crisis
You’re right: it took a faked attack in thre Gulf of Tonkin to do that. How many movies of this spurious “attack” have you seen?
Plus Robert McNamara admitted to that in the documents " Fog of War " made shortly before his death.
Leftyhunter
Definitely “not purely”. The British bombed the Germans for at least two years before the US came into the fight, not to mention the Russians who tore the guts out of the German army. The British were running agents in Europe against the Nazis for a long time before we got there. Also, the Dutch, Norwegians, French and Belgians all contributed to the struggle.
Bur let me be clear about one thing: the Russians and the British and our other allies could not have completed their tasks without the massive - and I do mean massive - American food, fuel, equipment and the other arms supplies needed to subdue Germany. Russia was clearly “on the ropes”, until Great Britain and Uncle Sugar came along and gave them the equipment needed to finish the job.
I give great and immense credit to the British for not throwing in the towel when common sense might have told them otherwise. Without Britain, I don’t frankly know how we could have invaded Europe with our allies. And it wasn’t just us: the Canadians were in the Normandy landings with the US, and Britain. It was a team effort from the git-go. Heck, I give great credit to the Russians for not folding and holding out because it was in Russia that the German army met its gotterdammerung. Invading Russia was Hirler’s undoing because it was a tar baby Germany could not conquer but could not disengage from either.
I’m struck, through, by the fact that the Russians suffered titanic defeats at the start of the war but did not surrender. One disaster after another and yet they hung in there. In the end, they inflicted massive casualties on the Germans and bled them white, but what I find illuminating is that the Russians absorbed all those body blows . When the tables finally turned, it took only a couple of massive German defeats to put them on the back foot.
The common denominator here is aid from the new world (including of course Canada) saved the Russians’ and British’s bacon. I note also that Great Britain sent as much aid as it could to the Russians.
It was a team effort.
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Beneath a cold sun, a grey sun, a Heretic sun...
I agree. Without immigrants, there is no country (US/Canada).
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Beneath a cold sun, a grey sun, a Heretic sun...
Fun fact. After the US won its independence there was a steady migration to Canada, because Canada had no taxes. Most of southwestern Upper Canada was American during the War of 1812.
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Awesome
Fixed that for you.
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Lisbon, Portugal
America's greatest gift (or burden depending on who you ask) to the world, was the creation of the "Liberal International Order" the ideas of the "principle of self-determination", which were all sustained by the Pax Americana.
Vietnam? Nah, although I voted for LBJ, I voted for his “Great Society”, not for his invasion of South Vietnam which I believed, and still do today, was a great mistake. The so-called “Gulf of Tonkin Incident” probably never happened and was used as an excuse to invade. Too bad. LBJ would be well-remembered today if he had stuck to domestic affairs, but instead he wanted “to nail the coonskin to the wall”. Big mistake. It ruined him.
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