East Asian ancient history

larkin said:

I was wondering what characterized the history from Indonesia, Indo-China, Philippines, Taiwan, Japan and Korea.

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Very wide question, Taiwan remained in a tribal state for a long time, Chinese settlers didn't arrive in significant number until the mid to late 17th century, and it wasn't until the late 18th century (and possibly later) that they became the majority. There is basically no written history before that.

Indonesia was not a concept until the Dutch arrived, before that it was many separate small kingdoms.

Korea's history was fairly stable, with it's border largely settled by the middle ages.

What comes to mind was the Greek city states but the scale in the South China Sea and the East China Sea is much larger. However were there city-states and did one distinguish itself more than others?

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The problem is that neither of those sea were nearly as navigable as the Med in terms of pre-modern shipping technology. serious shipping never appeared during the classical period, and it was only until the medieval period equivalent that there saw some more serious shipping.

One could argue that the Early Zhou era China was kind of like city states, but the nature was still different (unless you compare them to Sparta, which would actually have better correlation. )

[Prof O.W. Wolters has speculated that Sriwijaya Indonesia rose to prominence as a result of a substitution of some Sumatran aromatics for expensive Middle Eastern frankincense and myrrh-the so-colled P’o-ssu (Persian) goods then being shipped to China in great quantities. Be that as it may, Sriwijaya was also located in extremely strategic position and is said to have developed large ships of between 400 and 600 tons. These were by far the largest ships in the world at this time, and they appear to have achieved regular direct sailings to India and China by at least the late 8th Century.]_
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google has a few answers in wikipedia

larkin said:

Who were the original Taiwanese? Was there any intrusion into Japan before 1700?

Please forgive my total ignorance.

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I'm not an expert on Indonesian history, but Taiwan's original people (at least when the Chinese colonist arrived) were Polynesians (Pacific Islanders like the people of Guam, Philippines etc...) though there is speculation that there were black people living on the island before that (similar to Papua New Guinea ). but the story unfolded not unlike the Native Americans, today those folks are like 1% of the population of Taiwan.

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_aborigines]Taiwanese aborigines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

larkin said:

I was wondering what characterized the history from Indonesia, Indo-China, Philippines, Taiwan, Japan and Korea.

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You might like to read up on this maritime confederation - or empire if you like - named Sri Vijaya. It was believed to have been centred on the city of Palembang, Sumatra island, Indonesia. Although scholars believe that it also had regional capitals in other places, such as the Malay Peninsula and the Isthmus in southern Thailand. It might even have practiced a system of rotating kingship (which has survived in Malaysia as a rotating constitutional monarchy to this day) - where kings of different clans and based in different cities - perhaps related by dynastic mariage - took turns to be the pan-federation high king or maharaja.

The Sri Vijayan dynsaty was believed to have existed from 683 AD to 1183 AD, afterwich power passed to a different dynasty in Jambi, 150 km to the south, which lasted until 1288, but the federation remained known to uninformed outsiders as Sri Vijaya. It was, well, like a Rome of South East Asia. It thrived as the SEAn maritime controller of commerce between China in the east and India, West Asia and the Mediterranean in the west.

Persia expanded to the Danube river and Ganges, and Persian Kambojas were trading in Sri Lanka. They were an element of expansion of Vedic culture in Asia which rippled outwards in Pacific.

larkin said:

My apologies on the outset. I have almost no knowledge of pre-European, ancient East Asian history.

If I got anything at all it was vague references to China and Japan.

In China, Marco Polo and the Great Wall

I imagine that Japan's isolation evolved out of fighting off invaders as an initial policy to preserve its own sovereignty.

I was wondering what characterized the history from Indonesia, Indo-China, Philippines, Taiwan, Japan and Korea.

What comes to mind was the Greek city states but the scale in the South China Sea and the East China Sea is much larger. However were there city-states and did one distinguish itself more than others?

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Every one is from africa like 60ky. Only pure african is not 4% neanderthal.
Indonesia was connected to mainland so was japan until around 12ky.

There was all kind of mix as well as expansion, migration going on.

China has history of great civilization, but north east is claimed by korea/mongol/china type as THEIR original country area since it was one of earliest with certain advanced culture jade culture which eventually got to japan as yayoi/kohun etc. culture.

Mongorian empire was greatest in land... all way from korea/china to turkey.

I consider zhou who was 1kyp to be greatest since it expanded noble system/art/music etc.

Naomasa298 said:

Other than the Mongol invasions, there were no other large scale military invasions. Around the 4th century BC, the Yayoi people, who probably originated from around the Korean peninsula and had settled in Kyushu, the southernmost of Japan's main islands, began to spread out and displace the Jomon era people. In simplistic terms, rhe Jomon people were aboriginal hunter-gatherers who were related to the later Emishi and Ainu groups. These latter groups were eventually defeated and assimilated into the general populace (in the case of the Emishi) or survived at the very northern tip of Honshu and in Hokkaido.

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the end of Jomon era's population was only 80,000
If a lot of people come at a time from the direction of chinese continent, d2 of Japan must be fewer. and there must exsist similar words.
only limited people might come to Japan each year for more than thousands years. I think there were less than 100 ppls because of sea


If it is this, the influence on the gene　and language are also a little .And, they were not dominant as ｒule class.


the Japanese by method of Mitochondrial DNA
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_DNA]Mitochondrial DNA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
the korean and the Japanese are very simillar...( that is,matrilineal. mother lineage)
( Korean is not south korean. I mean korean who is living southern part of south korea like Pusan or kaya)
korean is more similar with ainu than the Japanese

Y Chromosome father lineage(paternal line)

korean and the Japanese are quite different because of D(Yap+)
most okinawan and Ainu have D(Yap+)


Why is it so similar by the method of mitochondria, and is it very different by the method of the chromosome?
only women came to Japan as Yayoi? I dont think so
As for the movement in the group, men was more numerous .

How about Latin America?
How about example of the Pacific Ocean islands?
How about India?

After the 16th century, present Latin American nations were conquered by Spain and Portugal. It is chiefly men that came.
As a result, there are a lot of Y chromosomes of the Caucasian lineage in Latin American nations.
However,The Caucasian origin is few by mitochondria method
most of type is native ppl'

so are polynasia, Guam....
Aryan (one race of Caucasian) invaded India from Central Asia 3000 years or more ago, and the upper layer hierarchy was formed for India.
As a result, there are many patrilineal more than the matrilineal...

accoding to descendant Genghis Khan Research
the Y chromosome goes over the cultural barrier by the occupation of the short term of around 100 and does not spread..
The ruler should be in the top in the society until race's uniting for long long time.

Top management in the ancient society of which the Jomon people fused with Yayoi shows that the Jomon was farther more than Yayoi.
In short, the Jomon people conquered the people village of Yayoi where it had emigrated with high probability
Small number of people comparatively people who made the Jomon people an ancestor were in top management in the society, and people of a lot of yayoi were ruled.
The pattern excluding this is impossible.

so is language.
The mark of an ancient Korean language is not seen at all in Japan.

word of same meaning and same sound..
i think the connection from the relation of the word to which ancient times fossilize is clarified.

The language is deeply related to race's identity.
The origin of the word can be traced to a past history and the life of the race in all the languages.
We can speculatewe the other relatives from what the past word was spoken.