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Sharia Law?
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But you can simply choose not to be a Catholic, and many do so, because they simply don't agree with Catholic teaching. Likewise many don't like the teachings of Islam, and don't want them to become standard.
A secular society assumes all laws are man-made, so they are open to debate. As society and time and culture change they can evolve along, 'though still being rigid and conservative of nature.
The religious law systems invoke a divine law that is above human questioning, based on often very old texts which are open to different interpretation, yet ultimately written down by humans still.
They can make extra rules for themselves as long as they don't break the laws that a broad majority of the people support.
That's the point, to many modern people draconic punishment and inegality between the sexes, or even justitional interference in the structure of a household is outdated, and doesn't lead to the well being and advancement of a people.
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Ok..That's what I thought you meant: make illegal drugs legal and that will stop the crooks? In countries that have tried that, they are now making the laws tougher. More abuse has happened, not less, and who profited is not the point, the ruined lives is.
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American Thinker: Top ten reasons why sharia is bad for all societies some of these laws look pretty harsh...
public flogging for drinking and gambling, hands chopped off for theft, high-handed wives may be beaten etc...why would anyone want these old barbaric laws?? they have NO place in the USA!
public flogging for drinking and gambling, hands chopped off for theft, high-handed wives may be beaten etc...why would anyone want these old barbaric laws?? they have NO place in the USA!
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Well, in some cases a Catholic cannot be allowed by the Church to take Communion or even be buried in a Catholic cemetery.
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American Thinker: Top ten reasons why sharia is bad for all societies some of these laws look pretty harsh...
public flogging for drinking and gambling, hands chopped off for theft, high-handed wives may be beaten etc...why would anyone want these old barbaric laws?? they have NO place in the USA!
Sharia laws regarding adultery, theft and homosexuality are preposterous.
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kbear: Again, as I have said repeatedly: Iran and Saudi Arabia and chaos riddled Pakistan are NOT NOT the hallmark or standards of Sharia law, even though Westerners love to think they are. Nigeria is a very messed up place as a whole, and the Muslim north is heavily wannbe Saudi.
Sharia law is advisory and counselor based, culturally amended and highly flexible. You and others seem to want to look at the freakiest and most harsh interpretations.
Most Muslims do NOT see things like this at all.
Sharia law is advisory and counselor based, culturally amended and highly flexible. You and others seem to want to look at the freakiest and most harsh interpretations.
Most Muslims do NOT see things like this at all.
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Are they or are they not using Sharia Law?
If they are then it tells me everything I need to know, the harshest measures in the West don't even come close to what conservative Islamic states can do. The fact they can and are doing it makes promoting Sharia an even more barbaric pastime. How can you support a law which condones this sort of behaviour? It's utterly brutal and has no place in civilised society.
The reason I can argue with you without feeling remorse is because I know I hold the moral high ground, there are no laws in England which come close to Sharia punishment in conservative states. Even with the best interest Sharia Law appears to be extremely sexist.
Now I'd like to ask you, what have you done to stop this sort of thing? Have you written to your local Imam or MP or whatever you have? I'm sure you'd write a letter of protest but the reality is they'd tell you it's God's work, or if you lived in Saudi Arabia they'd call you an infidel and cut your head off.
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Apstosy laws I admit are wrong all the way around. Thank goodness the Catholic Church finally stopped the Inquisitions in N.America in 1821 and S.America in 1834, but only because of political changes there.
The theory that these heresy and apostasy rulings are only from the Middle Ages is untrue.
The theory that these heresy and apostasy rulings are only from the Middle Ages is untrue.
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The Spanish inquisition was also not abolished until 1834. I read some stuff about the Spanish inquisition during the Peninsular war, utterly barbaric stuff.
I remember some stories about the inquisition in Bernard Cornwell's Sharpe series. While it was quite entertaining to read, it reminded me how Spain was still deeply rooted into catholicism.
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Where I live they HAVE Shariah law...FOR Muslims, but it is not the extremist form that Westerners love to claim is the standard.
Why do you refuse to answer my question of "What have you done against this?" You are freaked out about this in your country, yet you refuse to tell what activism you have done.
To refuse to answer and ask me what I have done is evasive and ....makes your claims of concern rather weak, IMO.
Why do you refuse to answer my question of "What have you done against this?" You are freaked out about this in your country, yet you refuse to tell what activism you have done.
To refuse to answer and ask me what I have done is evasive and ....makes your claims of concern rather weak, IMO.
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That war was indeed over in 1814, what I meant was:
The Spanish inquisition, which was still alive until 1834, was present during the Peninsular War, which ended in 1814.
On the Spanish inquisition, I recommend this book, it shows a good overview:
The Spanish Inquisition By Cecil Roth
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I've been keeping an interested eye to this thread and I think this post best says my position. I think the underlined/bolded statement says everything about what Westerners believe Sharia law to be. I think having someone who has first hand experience living in and around Sharia law helps in debunking another one of the world's cultural misconceptions. Thanks for offering you're unique perspective Clarence.
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Thanks Comet: There's just too much false spin being systematically pumped out about Muslims worldwide. People in fear assume way too much about matters, IMO.
I may change my signature to: "The only source of knowledge is experience" Einstein
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I agree, and one of the great things about this forum is the perspective from around the world.
All laws are subject to interpretation, it's the reason here in the US we speak of "legalese". The strange prose of laws are an attempt to remove, as much as possible, loopholes and free interpretations.
Unfortunately, religious laws seem to be more prone to extreme interpretation. The media will also report the worst, because it's interesting.
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Your so right, botully.
Here, where I live, is a perfect example of conglomerate law: Civil matters are ruled under British style law, the the Attorney General of the Supreme Court being a Muslim woman (gasp!) and the Solicator General a non-Muslim Chinese woman (double gasp!)
However, civil law does not serve well in many moral cases (drug/drink offenses in an Islamic nation are moral cases, not just civil), the majority feel Sharia law answers punishment a rehab much better than Western law.
Here, where I live, is a perfect example of conglomerate law: Civil matters are ruled under British style law, the the Attorney General of the Supreme Court being a Muslim woman (gasp!) and the Solicator General a non-Muslim Chinese woman (double gasp!)
However, civil law does not serve well in many moral cases (drug/drink offenses in an Islamic nation are moral cases, not just civil), the majority feel Sharia law answers punishment a rehab much better than Western law.
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Not exactly a country where Sharia rules or is fully implemented if you ask me. And the fact that the draconic punishments and all the awkward stuff is written down in the same texts makes it imo unsensible to want to submit yourself or your children to.
I wonder, what's included in "family and other matters involving Muslims."?
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