Spartan Warrior Cold Water, Grooming

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brooklyn
Hi there,

I've been reading about spartan warrior and a bunch of sites(blogs) regurgitate the same information such as "spartan warriors believed hot water is for the weak", etc ,etc and that they only took cold baths.

Just wondering WHERE is the source for this information because i have not been able to find it anywhere online.

Also, what kind of grooming habits did spartan warriors have? Did they use "soap" of some sort? or did they just bath in cold water and called it a day? and how often?

Thanks.
 
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brooklyn
I'm 23 bro.

Just interested in their lifestyle, what made them mentally and physically tough.
 
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Queens
I remember reading a while back that they cared greatly for their long hair, and would brush it carefully before the battle. Unfortunately I don't know much else about their grooming.
 
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brooklyn
I remember reading a while back that they cared greatly for their long hair, and would brush it carefully before the battle. Unfortunately I don't know much else about their grooming.

well that's surprising considering hair would get in the way right?
 
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Queens
In the linkg here:
Longman World History

It says spartans had their heads close clipped. That contradicts what nostromo said.

I read about their long hair a while back I don't remember where, but I just checked on wiki and here's a quote:

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartan_army]Spartan army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

The Spartans used the same typical hoplite equipment as the other Greek neighbors; the only distinctive Spartan features were the crimson tunic (chitōn) and cloak (himation), and long hair, which the Spartans retained to a far later date than most Greeks. To the Spartans, long hair retained its older Archaic meaning as the symbol of a free man; to the other Greeks, by the 5th century, its peculiar association with the Spartans had come to signify pro-Spartan sympathies.
 
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land of Califia
That quote is for the youths I believe.

As for bathing customs, they did supposedly bathe in cold water, as Lykourgos believed that bathing in warm water contributed to the laziness of opulence.

Secondly, research the Lakonicum, which is basically the steam bath that the Lakedaemonians used to conduct their usual bathing. They would then scrape off the sweat with a strigil. It was so popular that the name, "Lakonicum", is the what the Romans called it when they adopted the custom from Sparta.
 
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Australia
Do we really base our sparta knowledge of some dude plutarch?

No we base it the large amount of clues that we have garnered from the archeology of the region and all the literature that the Spartans left.

Or not.
 
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Tellurem
I can see some confusion surrounding the custom of Spartan hair when scrolling through this thread, so I thought I'd try and provide some closure. Here I provide an excerpt from 'The Histories' authored by Herodotus in which he claims to know roughly when the Spartan warriors started to maintain long hair.

As the city of Sardis lays besieged by King Cyrus of Persia, King Croesus had sent messengers to the Spartans for assistance in the matter...

"It happened that just at this time the Spartans were engaged in a quarrel with Argos over Thyreae, a place in Argive territory which the Spartans had cut off and occupied. (The country to the west as far as Malea once belonged to the Argives, including Cythera and the other islands in that neighbourhood.) The Argives marched to recover their stolen property, and agreed in conference with the Spartans that three hundred picked men a side should fight it out, and that Thyreae should belong to the victors; the rest of the two armies were to go home without staying to watch the fight, lest either side, seeing its champions getting the worst of it, might be tempted to intervene. On these terms they parted, leaving behind the men chosen to represent them, and the battle began. So closely was it contested that of the six hundred men only three were left alive - two Argives, Alcenor and Chromios, and one Spartan, Othryades - and even these would have been killed had not darkness put an end to the fighting. The two Argives claimed the victory and hurried back to Argos; but the Spartan Othryades remained under arms and, having stripped the bodies of the Argive dead, carried their equipment to his own camp.

Both parties met again on the following day, when they had heard the result of the battle. For a while both Argives and Spartans maintained they had won, the former because they had the greater number of survivors, the latter because the two Argives had run away, whereas their own man had remained on the battlefield and stripped the bodies of the dead. The argument ended in blows, and a fresh battle began, in which after the severe losses on both sides the Spartans were victorious. From that day the Argives, who were previously compelled by custom to wear their hair long, began to cut it short, and made it an offence against religion for any man to grow his hair, and for any women to wear gold, until Thyreae was recovered. The Spartans also adopted a new custom, but in precisely the opposite sense: they used not to grow their hair long, but from that time they began to do so. It is said that Othryades, the sole survivor of the three hundred, was ashamed to return to Sparta after the death of his companions, and killed himself at Thyreae." - (1.80).

The siege of Sardis is dated to 547 BCE, and so it wouldn't be unwise to assume that it was around this time the Spartans adopted this custom.
 
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Queens
As for bathing customs, they did supposedly bathe in cold water, as Lykourgos believed that bathing in warm water contributed to the laziness of opulence.

Things like that make me admire those Spartans more and more.
 
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Queens
I can see some confusion surrounding the custom of Spartan hair when scrolling through this thread, so I thought I'd try and provide some closure. Here I provide an excerpt from 'The Histories' authored by Herodotus in which he claims to know roughly when the Spartan warriors started to maintain long hair.

As the city of Sardis lays besieged by King Cyrus of Persia, King Croesus had sent messengers to the Spartans for assistance in the matter...

"It happened that just at this time the Spartans were engaged in a quarrel with Argos over Thyreae, a place in Argive territory which the Spartans had cut off and occupied. (The country to the west as far as Malea once belonged to the Argives, including Cythera and the other islands in that neighbourhood.) The Argives marched to recover their stolen property, and agreed in conference with the Spartans that three hundred picked men a side should fight it out, and that Thyreae should belong to the victors; the rest of the two armies were to go home without staying to watch the fight, lest either side, seeing its champions getting the worst of it, might be tempted to intervene. On these terms they parted, leaving behind the men chosen to represent them, and the battle began. So closely was it contested that of the six hundred men only three were left alive - two Argives, Alcenor and Chromios, and one Spartan, Othryades - and even these would have been killed had not darkness put an end to the fighting. The two Argives claimed the victory and hurried back to Argos; but the Spartan Othryades remained under arms and, having stripped the bodies of the Argive dead, carried their equipment to his own camp.

Both parties met again on the following day, when they had heard the result of the battle. For a while both Argives and Spartans maintained they had won, the former because they had the greater number of survivors, the latter because the two Argives had run away, whereas their own man had remained on the battlefield and stripped the bodies of the dead. The argument ended in blows, and a fresh battle began, in which after the severe losses on both sides the Spartans were victorious. From that day the Argives, who were previously compelled by custom to wear their hair long, began to cut it short, and made it an offence against religion for any man to grow his hair, and for any women to wear gold, until Thyreae was recovered. The Spartans also adopted a new custom, but in precisely the opposite sense: they used not to grow their hair long, but from that time they began to do so. It is said that Othryades, the sole survivor of the three hundred, was ashamed to return to Sparta after the death of his companions, and killed himself at Thyreae." - (1.80).

The siege of Sardis is dated to 547 BCE, and so it wouldn't be unwise to assume that it was around this time the Spartans adopted this custom.

Interesting and informative post Josephus. Thanks for clearing up the confusion.
 

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