was Gilgit and baltistan part of Afghanistan before Dogras annexed it ?

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Both Gilgit and baltistan Hve their own local ethinic groups who are similar to other Dardoc groups of Eastern Afghanistan/Khyber region such as nooristani, Chatraili, Kalasha etc and have different origin from Indo-Aryan(with minor Dardic influence) Kashmiris.

The region is also right next to Khyber and Wakhan corridor of Afghanistan. Even in Izslamic period, Adghans ruled Both Gilgitbaltistan and Kashmir and migrated to this region in large numbers.
 
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Many people also Include G-B with Afghanistan/Land of Eastern Iranics.

I think parts of Attock with Pashtun tribe should be part of Afghanistan just like Niazi/Niazai populated regions of MIANWALI. DO NOT FORGET that Mianwali falls on the west of Indus.

A unified Afghanistan with Secular or Islamic Democracy will be boon for Asia and World in Future.
 
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What is this map?

"Greater Afghanistan". The dream of the nationalists from that country. This dream dragged them into a close relationship with the Soviets (to counter the "occupying" Pakistanis) and ultimately resulted in the Soviet invasion and indirectly the war and chaos thereafter.

Immediately after Pakistan emerged, Afghanistan put forward a demand for the creation of an independent “Pashtunistan,” meaning “land of the Pashtuns.” The idea was that Pakistan should allow the Pashtuns in the northwestern part of their country to—if they so chose—secede and become an independent state. Though the size of the envisioned Pashtunistan differed over time, Afghanistan’s proposals frequently encompassed about half of West Pakistan, including areas dominated by Baluch majorities.

Though these demands were framed as supportive of Pashtun national independence, they were in fact irredentist. If Pashtunistan came to exist, it probably wouldn’t remain independent for long, as it would be a fragile and essentially defenseless state. The historical linkage between the Pashtuns and Afghanistan would likely dictate a merger of Pashtunistan into Afghanistan. And even if Pakistan never acceded to the Pashtunistan demand, Afghanistan had essentially staked its claim to that area if the Pakistani state were to fail. The incorporation of Pashtunistan and the majority Baluch areas into Afghanistan would, in turn, solve one of Afghanistan’s major strategic weaknesses—the fact that it’s a landlocked state. The Baluch majority areas would give Afghanistan access to the Arabian Sea.

From a legal perspective, Afghanistan’s claim about the illegitimacy of its border with Pakistan was rather weak. Though Afghanistan claimed that the border had been drawn under duress, it had in fact confirmed the demarcation of this international frontier on multiple occasions, including in agreements concluded in 1905, 1919, 1921, and 1930. But the weakness
of Afghanistan’s legal case took a backseat to the historical connection it felt to the Pashtun areas, and the strategic benefits it would derive from expanding its territory.

http://yalejournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Article-Gartenstein_Ross-and-Vassefi.pdf
 
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"Aryan Khan Kushzai" is an Indian pretending to be an Afghan, i know him from another forum (Pashtunforums). He is Kaushika of defence.pk (the one who believes he is descendant of Kabul Shahis)
 
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What is this map?

Loy Afghanistan means Greater Afghanistan sir.

We see Afghanistan as Nation ofEastern Iranic people. If youknow This region than you will realize this map covers whole region where Eastern Iranics live such as Tajiks, Hazara, Pashtun, Baloch as well as Dardic communitiesy of Nooristani, Chatraili, Gilgiti, Baltistsni.
 
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"Aryan Khan Kushzai" is an Indian pretending to be an Afghan, i know him from another forum (Pashtunforums). He is Kaushika of defence.pk (the one who believes he is descendant of Kabul Shahis)
Post reported for accusing without any proof.

You are all over Internet man from Pashtun forums to pakistani defenc and cricoket buzz e where you have multiple banned accounts with name of Marwat Khan Lodhi, Pak-one, Azad, Samandri, Munkey D luffy,History of pakistan etc.

Seriously, all you do is Start flame war in Topics related to Afghanistan because you are a Pakistani who's desperately trying to stay as elite in country of Dalit Converts (thats how you refer to your non pashtun countrymen).

I hope mods will take strict action for your mentality unstable behavior.
 
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And one more thing, Kushxai is descended from Caspian Tribes, other sources mentions Kushan origin.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspians

I am sure where i belong and who my ancestors are,my Pashtunised Sindhi Lohani/Lodhi (ironically a dalit caste there which makes You self hating) Friend.
 
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I am sure where i belong and who my ancestors are,my Pashtunised Sindhi Lohani/Lodhi (ironically a dalit caste there which makes You self hating) Friend.
What are you blabbing about?
 
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Many people also Include G-B with Afghanistan/Land of Eastern Iranics.

I think parts of Attock with Pashtun tribe should be part of Afghanistan just like Niazi/Niazai populated regions of MIANWALI. DO NOT FORGET that Mianwali falls on the west of Indus.

A unified Afghanistan with Secular or Islamic Democracy will be boon for Asia and World in Future.

Why you are polluting this forum with this nationalistic garbage? its historium.
 
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Why you are polluting this forum with this nationalistic garbage? its historium.

This is the one and only warning you will get.

If you two continue whatever fights, bickering or issues you have from other forums here, I will ban both of you permanently.

If you respond to me with anything other than complete compliance, the result will be the same. And this goes for both of you.
 
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National boundaries are not made on people's desires. They are historic happenings. When Kurds and Baluchis (or Kashmiris in the Valley) ask for independence, they forget this. We have examples of this in Europe (Catalunia, Scotland) and USA (Texas). If history so desires, the borders change, either peacefully (Czecks and Slovkia) or with violence (Serbia/Kosovo, East Timor/West Timor),
 
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India and Pakistan too. As Gods will. :D

lā ḥawla wa lā quwwata illā billāh
There is no change or power except in Allah.
 
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This is the one and only warning you will get.

If you two continue whatever fights, bickering or issues you have from other forums here, I will ban both of you permanently.

If you respond to me with anything other than complete compliance, the result will be the same. And this goes for both of you.
Alright, I will ignore trolls from now on.
 
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What is this map?

It's a map of Afghanistan before the British divided the country in 1896. The Pakistani user is correct in that it is a map of "Greater Afghanistan" but the basis for that map is Afghanistan's pre-1896 borders, and I think it is more important to mention that. Sometimes the map is used as a reference for "Greater Afghanistan" (ignoring that there are different interpretations of that) and other times, it is just used to show how big Afghanistan was before the Brits divided it.
 
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Many people also Include G-B with Afghanistan/Land of Eastern Iranics.

I think parts of Attock with Pashtun tribe should be part of Afghanistan just like Niazi/Niazai populated regions of MIANWALI. DO NOT FORGET that Mianwali falls on the west of Indus.

A unified Afghanistan with Secular or Islamic Democracy will be boon for Asia and World in Future.

It was part of Afghanistan (Durrani Empire) in the past, but not immediately before the British division of Afghanistan.
 
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