Why can't China and Japan shake hands like France and Germany?

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What strikes me about such TV shows isn't so much their content as their volume, which is inexplicable given there doesn't really seem to be much of an actual demand for the shows amongst viewers. That, to me, illustrates the desire of those in charge to generate a fairly jingoistic brand of nationalism.

of course not.

such tv have one big watchers group, common the group is the olders, the older watchers have more bad memory about japan army's atrocities and they don't mind much about the quality, so they like to watch the kind of dramas.

on the other hand, what michael mills said, for example, that excessive exaggerated dramas, were stoped just by authorities, in about 2013/5/16, the authorities's media gave harsh criticism to the kind of dramas, and stoped many licenses.

ps: in fact, if you checked this kind of drama's producers, many are hongkong's director.
 
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of course not.

such tv have one big watchers group, common the group is the olders, the older watchers have more bad memory about japan army's atrocities and they don't mind much about the quality, so they like to watch the kind of dramas.

on the other hand, what michael mills said, for example, that excessive exaggerated dramas, were stoped just by authorities, in about 2013/5/16, the authorities's media gave harsh criticism to the kind of dramas, and stoped many licenses.

ps: in fact, if you checked this kind of drama's producers, many are hongkong's director.

Why is it that every morning I get up and on CCTV-1 or CCTV-2 there is some war drama extolling the virtue of Chinese warriors over Japanese warriors?
 
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Why is it that every morning I get up and on CCTV-1 or CCTV-2 there is some war drama extolling the virtue of Chinese warriors over Japanese warriors?

it is obviously I am saying those exaggerated dramas, for example, what michelmills said, rip japan soldiers with hand, that drama's director is one hongkong director , then the drama was laugh at for long time, the cctv gave real-name criticism.

isn't that the authorities don't surpport this kind of dramas?


ps: I don't know where are you watching tv in, may in mars.:)
common ww2 war dramas can be accepted too but today cctv's dramas main are the today chinese army soldiers's growing, just curiously, how did you see japanese warriors in 21th century's chinese barracks?

forgot one point, cctv-2 is Finance channel, ha ~~
 
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it is obviously I am saying those exaggerated dramas, for example, what michelmills said, rip japan soldiers with hand, that drama's director is one hongkong director , then the drama was laugh at for long time, the cctv gave real-name criticism.

isn't that the authorities don't surpport this kind of dramas?


ps: I don't know where are you watching tv in, may in mars.:)
common ww2 war dramas can be accepted too but today cctv's dramas main are the today chinese army soldiers's growing, just curiously, how did you see japanese warriors in 21th century's chinese barracks?

forgot one point, cctv-2 is Finance channel, ha ~~

CCTV-2 certainly is a finance channel from 7:00 on but prior to 7:00 they show a variety of programs.

Most of the programs I see when I turn on my television in the morning are World War II dramas of Chinese, mostly communists, fighting the Japanese. This is a laugh because the communists never really fought the war. Get up before 7 some morning and turn on your television. You will see what I am referring to.
 
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of course not.

such tv have one big watchers group, common the group is the olders, the older watchers have more bad memory about japan army's atrocities and they don't mind much about the quality, so they like to watch the kind of dramas.

on the other hand, what michael mills said, for example, that excessive exaggerated dramas, were stoped just by authorities, in about 2013/5/16, the authorities's media gave harsh criticism to the kind of dramas, and stoped many licenses.

ps: in fact, if you checked this kind of drama's producers, many are hongkong's director.
What exactly are you 'of course not' - ing? I find it naive to suggest that the government doesn't push a tailored version of Chinese history which vilifies the KMT, Japanese, and foreigners in general as responsible for Chinese ills while white-washing negative aspects of the CCP's past. Whether or not these shows have absolutely ridiculous plot lines is a peripheral issue; the constant stressing of World War II over, say, the first half of CCP rule is key.
 
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What exactly are you 'of course not' - ing? I find it naive to suggest that the government doesn't push a tailored version of Chinese history which vilifies the KMT, Japanese, and foreigners in general as responsible for Chinese ills while white-washing negative aspects of the CCP's past. Whether or not these shows have absolutely ridiculous plot lines is a peripheral issue; the constant stressing of World War II over, say, the first half of CCP rule is key.


I only want to say, those hyperbole war dramas(what michael mills claimed), are not accepted by most people and even authorities is against too, it is stange opinion to say these dramas exist for nationalism or for communist party's rule, just like I said, some even are not made by mainland china.

on the other hand, I didn't think there have not political factors , common war dramas are widely exist, but it is all for communist's encourage? of course not, no demand no market, another exist reason is some older people like and want to watch it, it have the market, that is different with your idea.

that is all.

ps: china dramas have some very good dramas about fighting with japan in ww2, but the heros of the drama are kmt. : )

the private investment about the against-japan in ww2 history, are very common see, and low quality.

I agree some your opinion, in fact, but that is little biased, I am afraid, no demand, no market, communist don't always stand behind every ww2 drama.

may japan should think, why did those older chinese people like watch the movies and it can keep so long time.
 

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CCTV-2 certainly is a finance channel from 7:00 on but prior to 7:00 they show a variety of programs.

Most of the programs I see when I turn on my television in the morning are World War II dramas of Chinese, mostly communists, fighting the Japanese. This is a laugh because the communists never really fought the war. Get up before 7 some morning and turn on your television. You will see what I am referring to.

come on, :) cctv-2 is Finance channel, there only have news and Finance and economics in most time ,there only have little love dramas and animation in very rare time.
 
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come on, :) cctv-2 is Finance channel, there only have news and Finance and economics in most time ,there only have little love dramas and animation in very rare time.

I think you should take a peek at CCTV-2 early in the morning.
 
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I think you should take a peek at CCTV-2 early in the morning.

no problem, :lol:

00:23 just see
01:28 your living reference
02:00 animal world
02:32 wealth
04:31 today's law
04:59 news
05:29 natural and human being
06:00 news
08:33 your living reference
09:07 food
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I turned on the anime at a random point.

A .... was saying that her ancestors came from another planet.

Another character said that he chose to stay in the spirit world of Venus. another said there were a lot of different aliens on Earth.

It is obviously science fiction, not history. nothing to do with modern China.
 
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The point I was making was that even Japanese films produced during the Sino-Japanese War, for example by Akira Kurosawa, did not present the Chinese as villains. In fact, the Chinese hardly appear in them at all; the films concentrate on presenting the lives of Japanese soldiers.

Nor do Japanese films produced since 1945 present the Chinese as villains.

One film I saw that does portray the Chinese of 1927 as violent fanatics was the American film "The Sand Pebbles", produced in 1966 and starring the late Steve McQueen. It tells the story of the crew of a US Navy gunboat, the fictional USS San Pablo, stationed at Changsha, deep in the interior of China, on a tributary of the Chang Jiang.

At first the relations of the US Navy crew with the local Chinese people are friendly. That however changes when Guomindang forces arrive in the area, and they and local student radicals stir the people up to attack the American sailors.

There is one particularly gruesome scene where some Chinese soldiers capture a Chinese man who has been working on the USN gunboat as a mechanic; they string him up on the shore, in sight of the gunboat and begin to skin him alive. The Chinese man being skinned screams repeatedly to the crew of the boat to shoot him and end his suffering; eventually the Steve McQueen character picks up a rifle and shoots him from the boat.

After that, the Chinese revolutionaries accuse the USN crew of having murdered an innocent Chinese, and begin to lay siege to the gunboat, which is stranded during the winter because of low water. When the water level rises in spring, the gunboat tries to escape, but is trapped by a cordon of boats manned by Guomindang soldiers and student radicals. A battle ensues in which the US sailors manage to fight their way through and escape, but only after many are killed on both sides.

The portrayal of the Chinese characters is variable. In the mass, they are shown as volatile, sometimes friendly but easily stirred to violence. Some of the individual Chinese are portrayed as evil, for example, the official translator for the gunboat, a Confucian scholar, is a very devious character, pretending to be friendly but actually in league with the revolutionaries.

In the other hand, the leader of the student radicals is portrayed sympathetically as an idealist, who befriends the Steve McQueen character. Even so, at the end he joins the soldiers manning the cordon of boats that is trying to prevent the gunboat escaping, and in the ensuing battle the McQueen character kills him by chopping him in the stomach with an axe.

Paradoxically, that film, which painted a very negative picture of the Guomindang in 1927, was filmed in Taiwan, which was then still under the dictatorship of Jiang Jieshi and the Guomindang. One is left wondering why the Taiwanese authorities gave permission for the film to be shot in their country. Perhaps they reasoned that the Chinese revolutionaries portrayed in the film were actually dastardly Communists, who were later purged by Jiang.

I do not know of any Japanese mainstream film that is the equivalent of "The Sand Pebbles", portraying Chinese as violently fanatical revolutionaries.

By the way, this is the blurb for the movie "The Sand Pebbles":

This is the heroic story of the men on the USS San Pablo who disturbed the sleeping dragon of savage China as a threatened world watched in breathless terror.

Those are words produced by the advertising industry of the United States in 1966, when the Vietnam War was raging and China was viewed as a dangerous enemy.

I do not know of any Japanese film that used such expressions.
 
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I turned on the anime at a random point.

A .... was saying that her ancestors came from another planet.

Another character said that he chose to stay in the spirit world of Venus. another said there were a lot of different aliens on Earth.

It is obviously science fiction, not history. nothing to do with modern China.

you can't understand humor and irony.:D
 
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I turned on the anime at a random point.

A .... was saying that her ancestors came from another planet.

Another character said that he chose to stay in the spirit world of Venus. another said there were a lot of different aliens on Earth.

It is obviously science fiction, not history. nothing to do with modern China.

The story has a fantasy element in it, but to say something like that is just...

What country is highlighted?
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Great Hall of the People
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Tiananmen Square
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Clearly not a Sino-Pak Treaty
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Oh look its Taipei 101 getting slammed by a missile
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Which precedes an invasion to "reunify" the treasure island (They call China and Taiwan Godom Empire and Nantai for the same reason why they call North Korea not "North Korea" in Homefront video game.)
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Yeah, China will not accept intervention (from the US)
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That will teach the Yanks to intervene!
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"Article 9 is written so that we cannot protect our people" sounds awfully like someone is whining something along the lines of... "we are constitutionally forbidden from air craft carriers, we cannot have a military, China will invade us and we can't do anything."
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Yeah just like how China has been rapidly militarizing in the last 20 years. Ever since the Gulf War, the PLA's doctrine had completely changed and started to pile up masses of sophisticated and hi-tech weaponry.
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One of the many references of Modern China.
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I might be wrong here but...

Coincidence both this anime and the movie shows Tibet... Or did this anime just reference Seven Years in Tibet, showing the sneaky Chinese soldiers?[FONT=&quot]
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Japan believes it does not get enough credit for its post-war pacifist policy and China thinks it has been long enough denied its place at the sun. Both countries feel they did not get enough recognition for their restraint and that it did not pay off. China can be easily painted as the bully through its grotesquely extensive territorial claims in the South China sea, but Japan too has shown little flexibility in solving its territorial issues with its neighbours Korea and Russia.

Nietzsche opined that nations need to go to war from time to time to get their head straight, but that was before the advent of weapons of mass destruction on the battlefield. A war would produce losers on all sides and international capital is such a ..... these days that it would flee from East Asia to South Asia or elsewhere in no time. Nobody has anymore time today for nationalistic ..........
 
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It doesn't have to be aggressive to still have an empire, which it does. Today's Chinese state still holds on to most of its historic empire.
 
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This Chinese old saying called the benefit of the fisherman (漁夫之利 in Chinese) describes the situation between China and Japan well. With both countries between the Korean Peninsula fighting each other to the extreme for this very long time, some other country or group will benefit from this epic conflict.
 

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