How do white Americans view their European ancestry?

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What's so unique about America that Americans need to only identify themselves as ONLY American? Their language? European. Their mindsets? European. Their blood? European. Their democracy? European...

What is so unique about an American is their is general belief in individuality. The very thing that distinguishes us from the rest also causes us the most headaches when compared to others. (See: US Culture)
 
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I wonder how many Americans associate themselves with England and English history simply due to the shared US/UK history? Even though they might themselves be Dutch/German/French/Irish.

I am one of those Americans.

My ancestry is almost exactly half German, quarter Irish, and quarter French, yet I still think fondly of England as the "mother country". I don't know why.

What is even more odd, is that I take great pride in Vally Forge, Trenton, Fort McHenry (Our flag was still there!!), Andy Jackson and a bunch of rag tag Creoles at New Orleans, etc, yet these were all actions taken against the mother country, and none of my ancesters were even American at that time.

Hmm, no wonder I'm so screwed up! :crying:

Oh, and if you lousy red coats try and burn the white house again, yer gonna have to go through me and my 100% Persian heritage American cat in order to do it! :evil:
 
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I suppose strictly speaking I descend from Europeans, begrudgingly. I don't so much view European culture as a different culture all together, maybe just as a primitive form of American perfection :p.

Let's just say that on most demographic polls, there are terms like "African American" or "Asian American," but there are no blanks for "European Americans;" in that sense, Americans do not consider themselves European at all.

An interesting point.

Americans refer to the true Americans as "Native Americans." As you pointed out Americans refer to "African Americans" and "Asian Americans." However, "European American" immigrants have always been referred to as "Irish Americans," German Americans," or "Polish Americans," each with their own language and customs. But, never as "European Americans." This must be because as the debt crisis in Europe points out, that even with establishment of the European Union and the Euro, the European nations just can't seem consider themselves one people. As a result, those diverse heritages transferred to the US where they remained separate entities.
 
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An interesting point.

Americans refer to the true Americans as "Native Americans." As you pointed out Americans refer to "African Americans" and "Asian Americans." However, "European American" immigrants have always been referred to as "Irish Americans," German Americans," or "Polish Americans," each with their own language and customs. But, never as "European Americans." This must be because as the debt crisis in Europe points out, that even with establishment of the European Union and the Euro, the European nations just can't seem consider themselves one people. As a result, those diverse heritages transferred to the US where they remained separate entities.

There was no such thing as a "Native American" until the foundation of The United States of America. The Indians should be known only as the indigenous people of the western hemisphere. I am a native American. I was born in The United States and the "Whole" of my worthwhile heritage comes from My American ancestors. Indians were just indigenous people until the foundation of The United States. Those indigenous people born in The United States are "Native Americans". Their ancestors, however, were not Americans.
 
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Its a little different in Appalachia, than most places in America, I suppose. And that is because we never really changed too much from the Old World culture of the 17th and 18th centuries. We tended for a long long time, to be just about what one would expect to have found in Scotland or Ulster in that time, attitude and values wise, that is.

But there is a new generation here (not a majority, by any stretch) that is pretty much against anything traditional. Be it ancestry, religion, family ties and loyalty, moral issues, anything traditional is what they are opposed to.

And so, in Appalachia, there are the folks that cherish their Scots-Irish and English ancestry very much, and then, there are the ones who would say that even talking about it is silly. And that would tend to bring down a curtain of distrust between them right then and there, in a conversation.

50 years from now, that distrust of the one who said it would still follow around the one who was told that. And they are ideological enemies from then on, and will almost always take opposite stances on any conversation from then on, no matter how unrelated it is to ancestry.

Insider/Outsider thing, ye know.
 
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Well from what I know about Italian Americans, they have extreme amounts of pride in their heritage.
 
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There was no such thing as a "Native American" until the foundation of The United States of America. The Indians should be known only as the indigenous people of the western hemisphere. I am a native American. I was born in The United States and the "Whole" of my worthwhile heritage comes from My American ancestors. Indians were just indigenous people until the foundation of The United States. Those indigenous people born in The United States are "Native Americans". Their ancestors, however, were not Americans.

Wenge, thank you for correcting me. As an American by birth, and of "Irish/German" descent, I was insensitive to the distinction between the "Indigenous people of the western hemisphere" and the "Native Americans."

However, how about something a little shorter like "Indigenous Westerners," since Amerigo Vespucci didn't arrive here until the 1500s and provide us with the American identity. To me, "Indigenous Americans" sounds more appropriate because the ancient Indigenous people, who were here before the European immigrants arrived, remain a part of the American heritage, even though they may not be a part of the many and diverse bloodlines that now make up Americans.
 
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Wenge, thank you for correcting me. As an American by birth, and of "Irish/German" descent, I was insensitive to the distinction between the "Indigenous people of the western hemisphere" and the "Native Americans."

However, how about something a little shorter like "Indigenous Westerners," since Amerigo Vespucci didn't arrive here until the 1500s and provide us with the American identity. To me, "Indigenous Americans" sounds more appropriate because the ancient Indigenous people, who were here before the European immigrants arrived, remain a part of the American heritage, even though they may not be a part of the many and diverse bloodlines that now make up Americans.

Well they've been forcibly integrated, but you're right "Indigenous Westerners" would seem more appropriate.
 
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Dont you guys take a kind of silent pride and comfort in knowing that we today are the end of a very long chain of people (ancestors). And through the centuries, we have made a very long journey?

I often think back to my ancestors who may well have eaten the Roman IXth Legion, Donned a helmet and sword in the middle ages, sailed against the Armada, or walked into the dark wilderness of Appalachia when there wasnt even a single road into this place?

And the skin, hair, bones, and DNA that I wear around everyday, is a composite of the same stuff that they wore around, way back then.

Maybe they had similar moods as I do today? Perhaps someone who wears my DNA in some future time, will wonder about me after I am laid in Earth?
 
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Dont you guys take a kind of silent pride and comfort in knowing that we today are the end of a very long chain of people (ancestors). And through the centuries, we have made a very long journey?

I often think back to my ancestors who may well have eaten the Roman IXth Legion, Donned a helmet and sword in the middle ages, sailed against the Armada, or walked into the dark wilderness of Appalachia when there wasnt even a single road into this place?

And the skin, hair, bones, and DNA that I wear around everyday, is a composite of the same stuff that they wore around, way back then.

Maybe they had similar moods as I do today? Perhaps someone who wears my DNA in some future time, will wonder about me after I am laid in Earth?

I share your reflections as my passion is genealogy and I often wonder how strong and resourceful our ancestors were to survive and pass on a little of themselves down the line. No doubt they participated in historical events but thought little of it at the time. Wish I could draw up a chair and sit and talk to them...even those living just a hundred years ago.
 
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First of all, do white Americans see America as a continuation of the European civilisation? Or is it distinct?

Do they identify themselves as European still or just American? Any passion for the mother continent? :lol:

I have respect, but not passion. I consider myself a mongrel of barbarian stock, in other words, American. :)
 
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First of all, do white Americans see America as a continuation of the European civilisation? Or is it distinct?

Do they identify themselves as European still or just American? Any passion for the mother continent? :lol:

I personally am not passionate towards my European ancestry, but I am so very enraptured with my American anscestry. I love (or more like obsessed with) American History and consider myself just an American. The reason why is because we Americans, and especially us Texans, have so much pride for our country and no matter what history says, we will always believe America is the best nation to ever exist. I didn't realize this until I joined the Historum and noticed that the foreigners didn't see America as "the greatest Empire in history" like we do, and it's quite interesting.

-Sphynx
 
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I think the vast majority of white Americans at this point give their European ancestry very little thought. It is more a novelty or trivia question than anything substantial. By this point in the country's history, 2 centuries + into the great experiment we are so intermingled that its tough to disentangle where all your people originally came from anyhow. We're just Americans now.

A lot of people do get into geneology as a sort of hobby, and who wouldn't want to know more about their ancestors?.. especially people who are inclined toward history? My father's side were German (well Posen - which I understand is now Poznanska as a result of two unfortunate wars after we were long gone), and my mom's side was from some place called Villa Magna in Italy. Hey good thing we left when we did eh! I Just need a splash of Japanese and i'd be the Axis powers rolled into one man.

Hahha, that should push some anglospheric buttons, well done.

I personally am not passionate towards my European ancestry, but I am so very enraptured with my American anscestry. I love (or more like obsessed with) American History and consider myself just an American. The reason why is because we Americans, and especially us Texans, have so much pride for our country and no matter what history says, we will always believe America is the best nation to ever exist. I didn't realize this until I joined the Historum and noticed that the foreigners didn't see America as "the greatest Empire in history" like we do, and it's quite interesting.

-Sphynx
 
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Strange question: but what is it like being an American?

Being an American is an evolving condition at present. Many of the perceptions of ourselves are crumbling just like those in other parts of the world. There are Americans who feel we are the leader of the world, and others who question the audacity of that statement in a world led by the growing political power of the multinational corporations. The most vocal are the extremists on both sides of the political spectrum. To some, being on the far right on everything is what a true American is. On the other hand, the trend of the electorate is becoming more and more independent and middle-of-the-road. Presently the electorate is comprised of 1/3 GOP, 1/3 Democrat, and 1/3 unaffiliated because we are becoming more and more dissatisfied with our political leaders. Our Constitution gave us many rights that we perceived are envied around the world, however, the writer's of the Constitution left some big gaping holes that benefitted an elite group of businessmen that has now been endorsed by our Supreme Court.

We are struggling with the end of the concept of "Go west young man and seek your fortune," because there are now few places left to expand into that provide the type of opportunities for the poor and middle-class that existed in the 1800s. As Europe had a long time ago, we have to learn to develop new opportunities where we are. With the growing gap between the rich and the average American we have reached the point of either evolving as a society or collapsing.
 
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Strange question: but what is it like being an American?

Opinions might vary...:zany:

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It is crazy, wild parties every night, people drive on the wrong side of the road, and analog clocks turn counter clockwise (when they aren't melting over tree branches in the desert).
Just as I thought...so the movies are true to life after all! Nice one LCS.
 
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Opinions might vary...:zany:

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That's OK. We have over 62 million opinions over here on what it's like to be British. I just wanted a small Historum sample of the three hundred million over there.
 

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