Why Didn't China Conquer Taiwan Before the Qing Dynasty?

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I find it interesting that the first Chinese dynasty to control Taiwan was, well, technically Ming escapees from the Qing, but the Qing were the first unified Chinese dynasty to invade and conquer Taiwan. Considering China obviously knew the island existed for centuries why didn't the Ming or the Mongols or the Tang or the Han or any other dynasty conquer Taiwan?
 
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I find it interesting that the first Chinese dynasty to control Taiwan was, well, technically Ming escapees from the Qing, but the Qing were the first unified Chinese dynasty to invade and conquer Taiwan. Considering China obviously knew the island existed for centuries why didn't the Ming or the Mongols or the Tang or the Han or any other dynasty conquer Taiwan?

Taiwan was populated by aboriginals, who to the Chinese were nothing more than savages. The whole reason why the Qing conquered Taiwan was because there was a pro-Ming government there that was mounting attacks on the mainland.
 
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Taiwan was populated by aboriginals, who to the Chinese were nothing more than savages. The whole reason why the Qing conquered Taiwan was because there was a pro-Ming government there that was mounting attacks on the mainland.

Yes but China could have easily conquered Taiwan or gain a foothold for the sake of Imperialism like they tried to do with Central Asia.
 
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Yes but China could have easily conquered Taiwan or gain a foothold for the sake of Imperialism like they tried to do with Central Asia.

The Ming dynasty never invaded Central Asia.

And the reason for Han and Tang intervention in Central Asia is because of wars against the northern steppe Empires, the Xiongnu and the Turkic Khaganate. Not because they wanted to invade for the hell of it or for fun.
 
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The Ming dynasty never invaded Central Asia.

And the reason for Han and Tang intervention in Central Asia is because of wars against the northern steppe Empires, the Xiongnu and the Turkic Khaganate. Not because they wanted to invade for the hell of it or for fun.

Fair enough I guess. What about the Mongols?
 
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Fair enough I guess. What about the Mongols?

The Mongols mostly invaded areas with advanced civilization, not tribal areas where they had no interest in conquering. They sought to conquer Java as for as Indonesia because it was an advanced civilization, but they ignored the tribal Luzon area in the Philippines which was much closer.
 
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Why would they? Unless they anticipated some profit, which would be hard to see, why invade?

As was, the island was taken by refugee Ming to serve as a base to attack the mainland in an effort to restore the Ming dynasty; and then by the Qing simply to remove the possibility of such a base.
 
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taiwan had been colonied by chinese far before qing.
you don't really think the zheng Ming just ran there without any local support
 
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taiwan had been colonied by chinese far before qing.
you don't really think the zheng Ming just ran there without any local support

There were Chinese fishermen there and perhaps a few other colonists. Even though it still did not become a part of the area we know as China until the Manchurians conquered the remnants of the Ming there.
 
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There were Chinese fishermen there and perhaps a few other colonists. Even though it still did not become a part of the area we know as China until the Manchurians conquered the remnants of the Ming there.

indeed, lots parts of taiwan was not under effective chinese administration until qing, that is why i use the word colony, not territory.
but it is also wrong to say only a few chinese were on taiwan island before qing conquered it. although officially, chinese govs did not encourage people to migrate to taiwan, civilians were much much more curious to be there. not only fishmen, but also traders/smugglers/pirates, and the basement of them -- farmers. they had significant development during ming, due to wokou intrusion, isolation policy and starving. the most famous one was the last wave leaded by yan si qi and his follower zheng zhi long, the later is the father of the famous koxinga.
so, officially, it was not under effective control of chinese goverments. but was indeed under effective development of chinese
the ones conquered by Qing were not aboriginal people, that is my point
 
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Koxinga officially declared Taiwan as part of the Ming dynasty when he conquered it from the Dutch. There was a reason why he only used the title "Prince/King" (Wang) for himself, and not the title of Emperor, because he recognized his entity as part of the Ming dynasty and subject rightfully to the Ming Emperors. Koxinga also officially used a lower level of administration for example the "Six Boards" government system he used was on a lower level than the official Imperial Six Boards.

There was not a single Manchu in the Qing army/fleet under Admiral Shi Lang (a former Ming defector) which conquered Taiwan.

The Qing accepted the surrender of Zheng Keshuang and even placed him and other Koxinga loyalists from Taiwan in the Eight Banners.

So Koxinga's grandson and his former loyalists would be counted as Manchus in China today since they admitted into the Eight Banners by the Qing.
 
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Chinese expansion typically happen only after Chinese settlers are already there, and since there were little to no colony on the island until the Ming era.....

Because of the presence of aboriginals, it's not like small farmer teams can succeed there, and the aboriginals are also not developed enough to attract traders, the change came due to the Ming's close door policy which lead to the development of pirates, the first colonies were very likely pirate coves that began to expand into permanent bases.
 
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There were Chinese fishermen there and perhaps a few other colonists. Even though it still did not become a part of the area we know as China until the Manchurians conquered the remnants of the Ming there.

This is what I figured.
 

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