Before Islamic Revolution in Iran in 1979, how was Americas relations with Turkey and Saudi considering that Shah administration after Mossagdehs tenure was completly pro America. How did USA's close relations with Iran impact its relations with Turkey and Saudi, the two key enemies of Shia Iran in the region during this era?
America's relations with Turkey and Saudi before Iranian revolution
- Thread starter greatstreetwarrior
- Start date
Joined Nov 2010
14,406 Posts | 4,143+
Cornwall
You've missed the point. Iran was a westernised, very modern secular country. I remember their students coming here in their thousands.
It wasn't 'Shia Iran' as such. It was only when the Ayatollahs took over and took it back in time a few centuries in materialism and attitude that it became 'Shia Iran' which, incidentally, is far more reasonable and moderate now than it was under Khomeini.
isnt it still under Ayotollah nw? besides Iran has cultural and civilizational enemity with both turks and arabs not just religious
Joined Nov 2010
14,406 Posts | 4,143+
Cornwall
I know what you mean GSW but in reality under Khomeini it seemed more tending toward the later Taliban, if a little less violent. In recent years there's certainly a modernisation and more open outlook set in and clear battles between modernisers/democrats and the theocrats. Even dialog with USA
Under Khomeini it was merely a harsh theocratic dictatorship.
Turkey (member of Nato remember) and Saudi Arabia, haven't really changed much at all on the face of it.
I should say I'm going by my life experience here, living through these times and watching the news/newspapers. I wouldn't claim to be an expert on it by any means.
Joined Mar 2013
4,576 Posts | 952+
Turkey in 1960s had many riots and protests against being member of NATO and helping western powers. Obviously the government continued to support NATO but it wasn't an easy thing not to mention Turkey's disappointment with power of Armenian, Greek, and Kurdish lobbyists in U.S. though eventually U.S. supported most things Turkey asked for.
thanks cornwall nice to hear a warm response from you. Very insightful post indeed.
Joined May 2014
31,535 Posts | 3,565+
SoCal
I honestly don't think that Khomeini's levels of Islamic fanaticism can be compared to those of the pre-2001 Taliban. After all, Khomeini wasn't anti-modern technology and wasn't as anti-women's rights as the Taliban were.
As for dialogue with the U.S., I am unsure that Khomeini was initially vehemently anti-U.S.; rather, based on what I have previously heard, he might have initially not been too hostile to the U.S. but rather only exploited the anti-American sentiments of the Iranian U.S. embassy hostage takers when he realized that being vehemently anti-American could win him a lot of additional public support in Iran.
yes the guy took refuge in France and is well read to know about French revolution, Plato etc. He is not just another cleric spouting from the pulpit. He knows whats happening around the world.
Joined Nov 2010
14,406 Posts | 4,143+
Cornwall
Joined Jul 2015
679 Posts | 5+
Near East
But was incidentally given refuge in the West in addition to massive media coverage.
Joined May 2014
31,535 Posts | 3,565+
SoCal
Joined May 2014
31,535 Posts | 3,565+
SoCal
Joined Jul 2015
679 Posts | 5+
Near East
Joined May 2014
31,535 Posts | 3,565+
SoCal
Joined May 2014
31,535 Posts | 3,565+
SoCal
Joined May 2014
31,535 Posts | 3,565+
SoCal
More History Discussions
Trending History Discussions
-
The Great Captains of History - How Many Battles? - Version 7- Started by DiocletianIsBetterThanYou
- Replies: 861
-
-
The Great Captains of History - How Many Battles? - Version 5
- Started by DiocletianIsBetterThanYou
- Replies: 3K
-
The Diversity Of Early African Architecture/Ruins Thread- Started by Kilwa Sultanate
- Replies: 2K
-